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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Trump: Natural born citizen? Check
    He is more principled than he is made out to be.

    Cruz is not the conservative he is made out to be - dig deeper.

    More liberals hating Cruz means Trump has a better chance of winning in the General Election.

    Either one will be better than any Democrat.
    Cruz: Natural born citizen? Check.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/04...-be-president/
    The Judge concluded, as I did, that there is no definitive answer to the question of whether a person born to a U.S. Citizen abroad is a natural born Citizen, the overwhelming historical and legal evidence suggests that the answer is Yes. The arguments against natural born Citizenship for such a person are speculative and not supported by historical evidence.
    Trump more principled? I don't know where you get that. I've been following the guy for 30 years and he's always been an opportunist. There's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't show any great adherence to principles.

    I also don't know where you get the idea that Cruz isn't as conservative as he is made out to be. He was arguing for conservative principles from his first day in Harvard Law School according to Alan Dershowitz:

    “I was against the death penalty, he’s in favor. I was in favor of the exclusionary rule, he’s against it,” he said. “And he made such brilliant arguments that I never had to play the devil’s advocate.”
    I don't much believe polls at this stage but they indicate Cruz beats Hillary while Hillary beats Trump in the General. Liberals cross-registering to vote for Trump in the primaries doesn't mean they'll vote that way in the General.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Cruz: Natural born citizen? Check.

    Trump more principled? I don't know where you get that. I've been following the guy for 30 years and he's always been an opportunist. There's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't show any great adherence to principles.

    I also don't know where you get the idea that Cruz isn't as conservative as he is made out to be. He was arguing for conservative principles from his first day in Harvard Law School according to Alan Dershowitz:

    I don't much believe polls at this stage but they indicate Cruz beats Hillary while Hillary beats Trump in the General. Liberals cross-registering to vote for Trump in the primaries doesn't mean they'll vote that way in the General.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...-state-ballot/
    Masin wrote in a 26-page decision that the issue of whether a child born outside the U.S. to an American citizen is eligible to be president “can never be entirely free of doubt, at least barring a definitive ruling” of the U.S. Supreme Court.
    Same New Jersey State Administrative Law judge who once "ruled" in favor of Obama's citizenship. Hardly definitive, but not unexpected.

    Cruz (with help from his Cuban father and Glen Beck) believes he is destined to be President - that scares me.
    He will do anything to get the job - also scary.
    He's married to a Big Bank exec with some questionable campaign loans still unvetted from said Bank - that does not strike me as "conservative."
    He was an amnesty advocate and open trade supporter - also not conservative, but definitely falls in line with being a Cuban immigrant supporter due to his ancestral allegiance. He changed his tune only after Trump got overwhelming support for his stance on these issues.

    Before taking a deeper look into Cruz's career, I was a supporter - primarily based on what I thought I was seeing on the news concerning him "standing up for the constitution" in the Senate and such. However, after looking into what he actually supported and his family history (both parents and wife), it appears to me he is just another narcissistic politician - Yes, so is Trump.

    The reason Cruz concerns me more than Trump is that I find Trump more honest. I believe I have a better idea of what I'm getting with Trump (good or bad). Cruz however, seems to be a more conniving little man trying to prove something. His pandering to "evangelicals" (still not sure who all that entails) makes my skin crawl, and his public vs. private persona, both in his personal life and political career, leave me wondering who he really is.

    As far as beating Hillary, I believe anyone will beat Hillary.

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    I find Trump more honest than a Clinton but that's about it.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/...llary-clinton/

    Trump supported the AWB, legalization of illegal immigrants, "progressive" taxation, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    I find Trump more honest than a Clinton but that's about it.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/...llary-clinton/

    Trump supported the AWB, legalization of illegal immigrants, "progressive" taxation, etc.
    Agreed, Trump is closer to Obama than he is to Cruz.

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    This is who Ted Cruz is married to:
    In 2000, Heidi Nelson worked as an economic policy director on the Bush for President campaign, where she met her future husband Ted Cruz. Following her marriage to Cruz in 2001, she went on to work for the Bush Administration. She began as a top deputy to U.S. Trade Rep. Robert Zoellick, focusing on economic policy. Cruz worked as director of the Latin America desk at the Department of Treasury in 2002.

    In 2003, Cruz reported directly to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. Cruz eventually became the director for the Western Hemisphere on the National Security Council where she had Rice's ear. During a New York Times interview, Cruz recalled enjoying her tenure with the Bush administration and found her work to be "personally fulfilling."

    After commuting between Washington, D.C. and her husband's home state of Texas for a year, she moved to Texas in 2004. Cruz later stated that she did not see the move as giving up her career but as a relocation.

    Heidi Cruz has worked for three investment banks, JP Morgan Chase, Merrill Lynch, and Goldman Sachs.

    In 2005, she went to work for Goldman Sachs as a private wealth manager. After serving as a Goldman Sachs for seven years, Cruz was promoted in 2013 to regional head of the Southwest United States for the Investment Management Division in Houston.

    From 2005-2011 Heidi Cruz was an active member of the Council on Foreign Relations and was a member of the Independent Task Force on North America that in 2005 published a report entitled "Building a North American Community."
    Yet, he claims to be an "outsider."
    He is in fact, more of the same - dedicated to the Uniparty.

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    ... and that is the most confusing of the reasons proffered for picking Trump over Cruz. Trump is the ultimate insider -- he boasted about writing checks to get not only access but have politicians carry out his whims. Cruz was pilloried by the establishment GOP that you profess to despise because he took stands and tried to get them to take stands against Obama's budget requests and illegal exercises of executive power. Hell, Trump himself said "nobody likes him (Cruz)" -- but somehow he's an insider because his wife specialized in international finance and was apparently very good at it.
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    Trump was writing checks.
    Cruz is accepting them.

    Big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Trump was writing checks.
    Cruz is accepting them.

    Big difference.
    There is someone else that you hate that was writting checks right along side Trump...

    The BANKS.

    You hate the banks for their financial influence over politicians. That's exactly what Trump has always done.

    You think Trump can't be bought because he already has money? BS. As you and all the Trumpies keep saying, he is a businessman. Tycoons are all about the money. That's all that matters. You better believe he'll do anything to make another buck. You think that as president he wouldn't use his influence to shore up business deals for Trump Enterprises? Of course he will. I can't think of a bigger conflict of interest.

    You're convinced Cruz would be a pawn because of his wife's past relationships with big business and banks. Well, Trump doesn't just have past relationships with big business and the banks...he IS the big business and has acted like the banks you're so worried about influencing politics.

    Mrs Cruz just worked for the big money and that's enough to worry you. Trump IS the big money and that doesn't worry you?

    With him, there is no more middleman pawn...he is the corporate power political influence you hate so much. No need for a politician to do the bidding of the banks and dirty corporations...with Trump as President, the big business isn't just buying an influence, it's personally sitting in the seat.

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    There's another piece the liberal McCain-Feingold fans don't get. There's a huge difference between someone donating because they like the views and actions of a politician and the politican taking positions and espousing certain views because someone wrote a check. Take a look at the positions Cruz has established ... how are they different from what he espoused as a Harvard Law School student when he wasn't getting checks from anyone?

    There are other things I'd slam Cruz for like the way his campaign undercut Carson or the lawyerly (i.e., slimy) way he responded to complaints about things his campaign had done. Cruz will certainly drive away some of the crossover votes that Trump seems to have gotten in the primary; my question is whether those votes would STAY with Trump in the General or go to the Dem because ... well, Dem. Inconsistency as a conservative? Playing the money influence game? Political insider? Those are pretty bogus charges against Cruz, especially when coming from Trump.

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