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    Quote Originally Posted by jaitken0016 View Post
    I'm trying to find the bill's sponsor. Anyone have an idea?
    It isn't a bill, thus no sponsor. It is an initiative called Initiative 20 from ColoradoCare Yes campaign that qualified for the ballot and is now called Amendment 69.
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    It is really not about healthcare as much as it is control. Basically a control apparatus in the guise of free healthcare. A way for the commies to absolutely bankrupt the state, drive our business, create dependency, get those who are unable to relocate under the thumb of politicians who want to control and dominate society.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    It isn't a bill, thus no sponsor. It is an initiative called Initiative 20 from ColoradoCare Yes campaign that qualified for the ballot and is now called Amendment 69.
    Spearheaded by Irene Aguilar... the obese doctor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilRhino View Post
    Spearheaded by Irene Aguilar... the obese doctor/state senator...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavieD55 View Post
    It is really not about healthcare as much as it is control. Basically a control apparatus in the guise of free healthcare. A way for the commies to absolutely bankrupt the state, drive our business, create dependency, get those who are unable to relocate under the thumb of politicians who want to control and dominate society.

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    Good video! I get from the more Liberal commentators that this thing should be DOA. But I never underestimate the "free lunch" crowd and their stupidity.

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    What They Claim: It is “Of the People, By the People, For the People”

    What’s the TRUTH: $37Billion of our taxes and existing healthcare program dollars will go to a Board of Trustees (initially political appointees), who will determine what healthcare services everyone will have access to, who will be paid, when and how much. If we don’t like what the Board is deciding, we cannot recall them! If you don’t like the influence special interests have over our politicians, just wait until all this money is in the hands of 15-21 people!
    By the way: this Amendment will tax our senior citizens 10% on their Social Security and retirement funds! So even though they have Medicare, they will have to pay into ColoradoCare! Is that fair?
    The same goes for our military!

    What They Claim: “If you don’t vote ‘Yes’ for Amendment 69, you are voting to continue Obamacare”

    What’s the TRUTH: The same folks who are sponsoring Amendment 69 thought that Obamacare was wonderful (until we found out it wasn’t). They made the same claims about Obamacare that they are making about Amendment 69! There are lots of other ideas for healthcare reform: ideas that give Coloradoans a lot more choice over their healthcare decisions, and that cost a lot less!

    What They Claim: “ColoradoCare will save Colorado $5B over our current healthcare system”

    What’s the TRUTH: The new taxes are $25B, but the total cost estimate is $37B!! That’s larger than McDonalds and Nike!! And it’s run by 21 people, with NO government oversight!

    Can you name ONE instance of a government cost estimate that was accurate??

    The taxes used to pay for Amendment 69 can be raised EVERY SINGLE YEAR, and there is no limit on how much they can go up! How many employers and workers do you think will want to come to Colorado then? How many will leave? If employers leave, or if there is another recession, how much more will those of us left here have to pay?

    What They Claim: “America is the only wealthy, developed country in the world that doesn’t have some form of Universal Healthcare. It works in all these other countries, so we should do it here”

    What’s the TRUTH: Every country that has Universal Healthcare has tax rates much, much higher than we do—up to 65%, in order to pay for their healthcare system. The proponents of ColoradoCare never seem to mention this! There are other problems:

    In Japan, for instance, every primary care doctor sees 100-150 patients PER DAY!! Each patient gets about 3-4 minutes of healthcare at their visit.

    France spends about what we do here on healthcare, but patients have to face ever-decreasing healthcare benefits because the system can’t pay for itself.

    Canadians have to wait for months to see a specialist, and over a year for back or hip surgery. Thankfully, they have the option of coming to the US for care, which they frequently do.

    Swedish hospitals close for 3 months of the year to save money!! Can you imagine? A few hospitals will stay open to take emergency cases, but that’s it.

    Britain has a committee (NICE) that decides whether a patient can have the treatment they need to live. Is this what you want? To have complete strangers choose whether you live or die?

    Also, doctors in Britain are striking right now!
    54,000 of them!

    The TRUTH is that no country has it right yet, including America. Rather than copy a badly flawed system from someone else, we should be more open to new ideas that allow us MORE choices, not less; MORE control over our healthcare dollars, not less; MORE freedom from political games and special interests, not less!
    Watch Dr. Jill Vecchio give a Non-partisan, thorough explanation of PPACA (aka Obamacare) and what it means to all Americans. 7 segments: 1) Who will be covered; 2) and 3) What are the costs 4) State Exchanges and Employers 5) Doctors and Patients; 6) Constitutional issues 7) Ideas for Real Healthcare Reform
    What The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) "Obamacare" really says and what it means for all Americans
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    Dave55. While i applaud your posting the entire fiasco. One has to remember (well some of us) A Ballot worded like this

    “If you don’t vote ‘Yes’ for Amendment 69, you are voting to continue Obamacare”


    Is how BGC at gun shows became law. Under the guise of Safety for everyone. The ballot was an overly laden double speak saying we need, we need, on & on. With who knows how many gun owners actually believing it was a Gun Show only ballot. Not realizing, thanks to the thousand word plus deal it classified a gun show as 3 or more people.
    So once again the weak and LAZY voted to CLOSE THE GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE

    By using the Ocare reference who knows how many will check YES, come november.
    Look at the number of registered voters to actual turn out. IMO less than 10-15% are making decisions for the rest of us. I for one vote, as often as possible
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