F@*K Microsoft...

[Gman]

#DieJavaDie

#AndTakeAdobeFlashWithYou!!!

Java's 'write once run everywhere' promise only seems to work with malware. So many vendors want their own version and often break as even '.' releases change the architecture of the major release that did work.

Having multiple versions of Java installed usually leads to all kinds of compatibility issues as the Class registrations step all over each other. Often, the last version installed wins. The older exploitable versions can also be called and those exploits still exist on the system.

...at least this mess is job security.

...to those that think Macs are perfect...put down the Kool-Aid and slowly back away. As long as humans are involved, nothing is perfect. Not even a Glock.

As for whatever Linux distro is the favorite this month, the other 99% of computer users just want their software to work. They don't want to have to figure it out. They want to be able to go to Best Buy and buy a printer, connect it and go.

[TFOGGER]

As for whatever Linux distro is the favorite this month, the other 99% of computer users just want their software to work. They don't want to have to figure it out. They want to be able to go to Best Buy and buy a printer, connect it and go.

This is the number one reason why I didn't just go with Ubuntu or Linuxmint. My dad doesn't need to be trying to learn a new OS at 87, Windows is challenging enough.

[izzy]

Java's 'write once run everywhere' promise only seems to work with malware. So many vendors want their own version and often break as even '.' releases change the architecture of the major release that did work.

Not sure what type of Java software you're talking about here. I write Java for a living, enterprise level not consumer stuff. We develop/run on Mac and Windows and always run in production on Linux. What we do at work runs the same on all three platforms. There are lots of consumer products written in java that do just fine too. Chrome for instance is Java based, for me it runs the same on Mac/Windows/linux/Ipad/Android.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The last few versions of OSX have destroyed a lot of that lead they had over Microsoft ... as they push OSX to be more iOS like they are slowly ruining it.

True ... but I'd still rather run OS/X than Windows 10 and I'm not forced to "upgrade" the current versions of OS/X like I am Windows. My Mac Mini is still running Snow Leopard (10.6) and my personal MacBook Pro is running Mavericks (10.9.5) while my work computer is running El Capitan (10.11.5). The new HP laptop running Windows 10 is just a toy and I don't rely on it for anything important.

[Gman]

Not sure how you interpreted my comments to be a difference with Java Runtimes on different OS'es. This is a problem even on a single OS. Oracle ERP is certified for one Java version, a banking app on another, a web console on yet another, training video content wants another version of Java, etc. You just can't load the latest version of Java and have it backward compatible with a bunch of apps, particularly legacy apps.

I'm also not sure what you mean by Chrome being "Java based". The Chrome browser is part of the Chromium Projects. The Chrome browser and the WebKit browsing engine is written in C++. Chrome has dropped support for Java plugins. Maybe you're talking about JavaScript...which is an entirely different animal courtesy of Netscape?
https://java.com/en/download/faq/chrome.xml
Plugin-based content doesn't work on Chrome

In the past, many plugins were developed using an old system called NPAPI. Today fewer sites are using NPAPI plugins and they have often caused security risks on websites.

To make browsing with Chrome safer, faster, and more stable, we stopped allowing NPAPI plugins on September 1, 2015.

Plugins that use NPAPI, including Silverlight, Java, and Unity, won’t work.

As for older versions of OS X, Apple controls the hardware and software environment. If you have a Mac that is 3 years old or older, it may not be possible to upgrade the OS. That's part of the Apple model that encourages hardware upgrades if you want the latest and greatest OS and software.

Then again, my HP Elitebook 2530p from 2008 upgraded to Windows 10 just fine.

There are trade-offs no matter what option you choose.

[Zundfolge]

True ... but I'd still rather run OS/X than Windows 10 and I'm not forced to "upgrade" the current versions of OS/X like I am Windows. My Mac Mini is still running Snow Leopard (10.6) and my personal MacBook Pro is running Mavericks (10.9.5) while my work computer is running El Capitan (10.11.5). The new HP laptop running Windows 10 is just a toy and I don't rely on it for anything important.

My wife's Mac is still running Snow Leopard ... it pesters her occasionally asking to upgrade but hasn't forced it yet. We haven't upgraded it because we run our Plex server on it and I don't want that to break (which in the past was a problem with Plex).

[Aloha_Shooter]

...to those that think Macs are perfect...put down the Kool-Aid and slowly back away. As long as humans are involved, nothing is perfect. Not even a Glock.

No one said Macs are perfect but my 2.5 year old MacBook Pro with OS/X is far superior to my brand new HP Envy with Windows 10 for processing my photos, running spreadsheets, and doing general computing. The only things the Envy is better at are playing games (which is why I bought it) and linking to my new Smart TV wirelessly. Windows 10 seems to be more stable than NT or Vista, definitely more enjoyable than Vista, but still has very annoying behavior now and then. For my money, the last Windows release I really liked was Windows XP. I stopped building my own PCs and transitioned over to Macs when I realized what a POS Vista was. I could load Linux or FreeBSD on my PCs but I like the tight hardware engineering on the Macs and don't really feel like playing around with the OS internals anymore.

[Gman]

I'm OS Agnostic. I'm on my late 2013 MBP Retina at the moment using a Chrome browser. I also have a Windows 10 VM running on Parallels when I run into issues that require a Windows OS or IE. I have also stopped building my own systems since I'd rather just use a system. I have other hobbies. ;-)

[flogger]

Came home and found that windows 10 was ready to be installed ( first thing that came up on the screen) I was allowed to bail out but it took a while and it was VERY misleading. The whole creepy male voice trying to walk you through the instal and all, it took a while to do and "reinstall a previous version of windows".

My computer was off line all day, I had been getting win10 install pop-ups for a long time but always closed the window. Not sure how they did it but these SOB's should be sued for crap like this!

Not sure if its a common thing lately but in the meantime, FUMSN!

[MED]

Eight years ago my security team was running macbooks; today, we are running i7s with Kali. I guess the transition to home is easy for me because I spent most of my career working in some form of Unix like system. I just don't spend my money on stuff I can get for free, and I expect 8-10 years out of my hardware so I don't run bloated BS software that sucks all the resources out of my machine nor controls what I can and can't do with it or deems my hardware end-of-life...no upgrade for you, but everybody is different. However, when somebody asks me to help them with their Windows PC, I say no. Microsoft went off the deep end with their 8 and 10 releases...what a pile of shit.