Another police shooting (With disturbing video)

[HoneyBadger]

here's one. i guess i'm "not the most law abiding folk" and "have a problem with authority"

As of last week (when the CA Governor signed several new bills into law) I'm also most certainly in the "not the most law abiding folk" bucket. And yes, I definitely "have a problem with authority". Especially when someone else's authority makes me a defacto criminal. I've only had one slightly negative interaction with police (and I wrote about it here. I got pulled over for allegedly not using a turn signal to change lanes, and then when I asked him to provide evidence, he wrote me a ticket for a broken windshield.... Oh well. I'm over it. )

I don't have a problem with cops, whites, blacks, women, gays, muslims, or (fill in the blank). I have a problem with bad people. There are bad people in just about every cross section of society. Sometimes even the most strenuous selection processes don't successfully weed them out (Navy SEALs for example). If we don't want others to judge all gun owners based on one bad individual's actions, then we certainly shouldn't blame all law enforcement officers for one individuals actions, whether it was intentionally malicious, or just a really bad fuck-up.

[roberth]

But HoneyBadger, that isn't any fun for the cop haters who expect the police to help them when they need it and ignore them when they're violating the law.

[Squeeze]

But HoneyBadger, that isn't any fun for the cop haters who expect the police to help them when they need it and ignore them when they're violating the law.

Yep. Sad but true. Oh, and let me clarify. My meaning behind people who have "a problem with authority", I was specifically referring to law enforcement officers regarding the authority part. As we have several people here as Baily pointed out who are quite the "cop haters".

[Irving]

A lot of videos start after the action, because before anything happened, there was nothing worth recording. When the recording started is not at all suspicious in my opinion.

[trlcavscout]

Yep. Funny though, I've always found most people who "bash the police" tend to not be the most law abiding folks and also tend to have a problem with authority in general.

Im not a cop basher, but some cops shouldn't be cops. That said, if he informed the officer he was legally carrying and the cop shot him do you still defend the officers actions? If LE has more footage and they release it it will answer all the questions, until then we dont know who was in the wrong. I obey the law as much as anyone else, no record other then a few traffic violations, no problem with authority. I dont argue with LE even when they are wrong, thats what court is for. But i have seen enough bad apples to have a healthy mistrust of officers.

I also believe "some" officers are the biggest hypocrites and law breakers around, not all, but some. Like the Greeley law where they can pull you over for eating or drinking if they deem it careless, yet i drive around the city daily seeing cops leaning over typing on their lap tops and eating while swerving into my lane then giving me dirty looks. Then they do 45 in a 35 only to turn into the 7-11 to get a big gulp. Lead by example.

[GilpinGuy]

The 10% rule. 10% of the population (at least) is a scumbag, regardless of their profession.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm suspicious of the whole incident. I posted this because it is so bizarre. I have a procedure for a traffic stop by police. I keep insurance & registration in a ziplock sandwich bag in the glove compartment. Drivers license in wallet stacked on top. By the time the cop gets to the car, I am ready to hand all 3 items over. I don't engage in any unnecessary conversation, talking is for the court room and not the street. 9 times out of ten, I will be driving away in a few minutes.

That sounds like a pretty reasonable procedure. I try not to get stopped in the first place, but shit happens.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm gonna place my bet on "there's a lot more to this story than what's in the video". That could mean the officer did something wrong or the dead guy did or both. I can't tell from the video.

[Guylee]

I'm gonna place my bet on "there's a lot more to this story than what's in the video". That could mean the officer did something wrong or the dead guy did or both. I can't tell from the video.

That's how it always is with these things. There's a lot more going on than ANYONE can know. That's why it always irritates me when people are so quick to jump to conclusions when these kinds of things come out...there's always more evidence to be seen, and whether it was a horrible mistake by the cop, the driver, or both isn't apparent yet and won't be for some time, if ever.

[KAPA]

Somewhere there is a room full of liberals that are going to try and twist this and blame these shootings on guns. "If the guy didn't have a gun he would not have been shot."