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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Extremely fluid situation, and the range of responses so far has depended mostly on the imagination of whomever is posting. They're is a Youtube video up right now where a person drives through a BLM protest line blocking a highway. No one injured, no property damage, and if the driver followed the advice of some of the suggestions here they would be rotting in prison right now. I'd find the video, but I'm unavailable all week.
    Many drivers have "followed the advice of some" already.
    Can you provide a link to any of them "rotting in prison?"
    I am unable to find any so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Many drivers have "followed the advice of some" already.
    Can you provide a link to any of them "rotting in prison?"
    I am unable to find any so far.
    If I'm on the jury, the defendant is safe.

    Stopping and surrounding a vehicle with significant numbers, banging on a vehicle, breaking glass (to gain access to occupants) all demonstrate intent (imminent danger). That's not a protest but a violent mob that our ever-incompetent/evil (you pick) government should have broken up before it got to that point. Nor is it an escalation the driver caused merely by driving on a public road.

    There are a number of people who believe in the space to destroy. Debatable, but if humans are the car, totally different.

    That said, I personally would avoid such a scenario at nearly all costs less than the safety of my loved ones/self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    Many drivers have "followed the advice of some" already.
    Can you provide a link to any of them "rotting in prison?"
    I am unable to find any so far.
    I can provide a link, later, of the person driving through the protest line to which I was specifically referring. In that situation, the protesters had successfully brought all traffic to a stop, but when the one vehicle decided to move forward, the protesters had to leave other parts of the line just to try to get in front of the vehicle. When the line of people blocking traffic is less than one person deep, good luck defending your decision to smash the gas and plow through the line. The original poster laid out a specific scenario of having your "path of travel" blocked and what your rights might be.

    Predictably, many members let their fantasies run wild with a scenario out of walking dead where the road is blocked by bad guys 25 deep, all armed with weapons or something.

    What are the chances that you'll be the first responder to a situation like that? What are the protesters yelling? Some people block traffic to draw attention to their cause. So just run over people yelling about more money for schools? A lot of people, including hot Dave, are having a difficult time differentiating between a protest blocking traffic, and a riot blocking traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    A lot of people are having a difficult time differentiating between a protest blocking traffic, and a riot blocking traffic.
    This.

    I used to work at a campus that had a main entrance off of a major street, with its own traffic light. One day the janitors' union or something decided to picket the campus. The ones that entered the campus got rounded up by private security, but most stayed on the public sidewalks and they couldn't be touched. They milled about in the crosswalk blocking traffic. Eventually police showed up and made them clear the crosswalk when the light for the cross street was green, but they still blocked it the rest of the time. If you would have plowed through that crowd of protesters out into the intersection I can't imagine an outcome for you other than jail. The protesters were not violent in any way; it's hard to claim that you were in fear for your life in your car because of people carrying protest signs and chanting pro-labor blatherings.

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    When person A is blocking you from leaving a restroom in conjunction with person B smashing you in the face with a tire iron where does person A get a pass just because they dont have said tire iron? Or because there werent 4 people blocking the door. Or 25?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I can provide a link, later, of the person driving through the protest line to which I was specifically referring. In that situation, the protesters had successfully brought all traffic to a stop, but when the one vehicle decided to move forward, the protesters had to leave other parts of the line just to try to get in front of the vehicle. When the line of people blocking traffic is less than one person deep, good luck defending your decision to smash the gas and plow through the line. The original poster laid out a specific scenario of having your "path of travel" blocked and what your rights might be.

    Predictably, many members let their fantasies run wild with a scenario out of walking dead where the road is blocked by bad guys 25 deep, all armed with weapons or something.

    What are the chances that you'll be the first responder to a situation like that? What are the protesters yelling? Some people block traffic to draw attention to their cause. So just run over people yelling about more money for schools? A lot of people, including hot Dave, are having a difficult time differentiating between a protest blocking traffic, and a riot blocking traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I can provide a link, later, of the person driving through the protest line to which I was specifically referring. In that situation, the protesters had successfully brought all traffic to a stop, but when the one vehicle decided to move forward, the protesters had to leave other parts of the line just to try to get in front of the vehicle. When the line of people blocking traffic is less than one person deep, good luck defending your decision to smash the gas and plow through the line. The original poster laid out a specific scenario of having your "path of travel" blocked and what your rights might be.

    Predictably, many members let their fantasies run wild with a scenario out of walking dead where the road is blocked by bad guys 25 deep, all armed with weapons or something.

    What are the chances that you'll be the first responder to a situation like that? What are the protesters yelling? Some people block traffic to draw attention to their cause. So just run over people yelling about more money for schools? A lot of people, including hot Dave, are having a difficult time differentiating between a protest blocking traffic, and a riot blocking traffic.

    Are we reading the same OP? situation starts to escalate w/ threats = if you cannot back out, freaking floor it! As I said before, quantity has a quality all its own. Mob mentality can quickly, very quickly, devolve into one nasty situation. The entire OP was an exercise in the abstract, i.e., a theoretical situation. Of course we have to fantasize (imagine) ourselves in the situation to even answer. But you mean to tell me that if you are surrounded by a bunch of folks yelling and threatening you that you're just gonna sit there while they whip themselves into a murderous frenzy? eek.

    Quote Originally Posted by BNC04 View Post
    Driving down I-25 you are the first few cars at the scene of a protect initiated by a group and they are blocking your path of travel. You are close enough to protesters and are able to maneuver your vehicle and are at the front lines so to speak.

    Your nervous and afraid that this can escalate what can you do legally ?

    The situations starts to escalate, Ranting, yelling and verbal threatening what can you do legally?

    The situations gets explosive, sticks, rocks, are visible, people start kicking your car, spitting on it, jumping on the hood , your in fear for yours and your family's safety now. What can you do legally?

    I'm interested to hear some rational thoughts on this. You always hear the statements like, "drive through them", "run'em over", "they get what they deserve" etc. but, little thought goes to what happens as a consequence to those actions.

    I'm interested in hearing thoughts and how you may have mentally prepared for various scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    Are we reading the same OP?
    There were three separate, escalating hypotheticals posed in the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumline View Post
    There were three separate, escalating hypotheticals posed in the OP.
    Right, but none of us have addressed the first hypothetical which was essentially benign; we've all addressed from being threatened and up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    Since you're able to move the vehicle. Back the fuck up!

    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    Right, but none of us have addressed the first hypothetical which was essentially benign; we've all addressed from being threatened and up.
    You may have glossed over my first sentence in the reply. In any situation the first objective is "flight" look for a way out / resolve / remove from area of threat.

    With that said, a Mob mentality can go from Kumbya to Kill #$%^ in seconds. The moderately peaceful assembly was just so until someone said BURN THIS BITCH DOWN. The flag dropped and the rest is history.


    IMO... in today's environment, a crowd gathering with what ever antagonistic posters (provided by Soros. Inc) they're waving with decent sized groups on the sidewalks and streets have 1 goal. That's not one of I'd Like To Teach the World to Sing in perfect Harmony.

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    Guess my dumb self be back to nuke 'em then.

    And, please, for the safety of all who are concerned, please, I implore you, do not take my advice. Ever.

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