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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinjmpr View Post
    "Crushing" unions and imprisoning people for holding liberal beliefs - yeah, that's how you restore the Constitution.
    Exactly.

    Now if we were to shun communists and destroy their arguments with true facts then that would be a good track to take.

    When the communists riot then we have an entirely different situation wherein we can take action against them but only the rioters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    The problem with America, which led to where are as a nation today, is the idea that every idea is somehow precious and needs to be heard. Liberalism (Marxism) is a snake which needs its head cut off, a cancer which needs to be eradicated. McCarthy understood this and is now villified for being right.

    Not just political prisoners, but actual enemies of not only the state but of the people who they would seek to corrupt with promises of free shit, the continued destruction of the family and moral fiber of this nation, etc. Advocates of things which are great moral evils (abortion, lack of self-defense, communist ideals, etc.).

    It was the ww2 generation which really set the train of ruination down the tracks. They were the greatest generation in many ways, and the worst generation in others. Whether they stormed the beaches at Normandy or nearly died at Tarawa, they came back and corporately either ran roughshod over the moral fiber of the country or raised a generation which would engage in a rampant libertine attitude. Bernie Sanders didn't happen in a vacuum.

    Again, I say, our great grandparents would not find my list shocking. Neither would the founding fathers.


    Let's look at the list again:


    1) Would it be a bad thing to encourage productive farming which doesn't see a large amount of it going to a disastrous EPA-led campaign to produce less effective fuel? No
    2) Would it be a bad thing to undue to unconstitutional intrusion of the federal .gov into forcing people to buy a product at great expense and which leads to a bloating of prices? No.
    3) Would it be a bad thing to guarantee the 2nd Amendment with no ridiculous laws which make a constitutionally guaranteed right in all its substance and ancillary aspects? No.
    4) Would it be a bad thing to recognize the reality of human dignity and the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness from conception so as to guarantee a) that we arent murdering our own children and b) that we restore the consequences of decisions? No.
    5) Would it be a bad thing to encourage domestic manufacturing and decrease the federal hand into the local pocket of the working man? No.
    6) Would it be a bad thing to allow states to return to a curriculum which is sensible and teaches/encourages fundamentals without all the cultural marxist bloating? No.
    7) Would it be a bad thing to treat enemies of the future of America at every level (economic, moral, etc.) as what they are, such that we stop seeing dumb crap like Boulder High school students walking out of class because their little feelings and fantasy world got hurt? Such that people LIKE Margaret Sanger would have no room to spread their cancerous crap, Saul Alinsky to be put in jail where he belonged, and all the other commie agitators too? No.
    8) Would it be a bad thing to disallow the "schools of communism"(Lenin) to foment their class warfare BS and instead simply serve as a backstop to the potential for worker abuse? No.
    9) Would it be a bad thing to stop dangling a tax-free status over the Church in a squelching of the natural reality of the intention of the Church and of the fact that the separation of Church and State as we see today is in fact 180* from the intention of the founding fathers? No.
    10) Would it be a bad thing to return as a nation to something which is so glaringly obvious from natural law and which, frankly, the .gov should only have enforcement insofar as ensuring the protection of the oldest social norm in history? No. And I'd go further in stating that the .gov should not be involved in this anyway at any other level. No tax breaks for the married at the expense of the single, etc. The only reason the .gov is involved goes back to the days of segregation and eugenics in this country.
    11) Would it be a bad thing to stop the ridiculous displays of homosexual behavior such as we see in these "gay pride" parades, etc.? No. It's impossible to deal with what might occur between two people out of the public eye, but in the public eye that shit should be squashed.
    12) Would it be a bad thing to have the federal government do its job in a manner which encourages subsidiarity and yet also the national defense which allows defense at all levels from local to federal? No.

    It's an amazing amount of hubris to think that we can ignore thousands of years of human history which proves these basic principles one way or another. Yeah, I agree that not all of our great grandparents' ideas were good. But I'm not talking about their novelties or things like Racism (true racism, not the hurt feelings report of today), I'm talking about the things they inherited which are obviously good. GK Chesterton wrote that, "Tradition is the democracy of the dead." My parents' generation totally shirked tradition and its been a fast ride down this slippery slope since then. Their parents generation (ww2) didn't rip them back from the edge when they saw them start down the road to where we are now. Their grandparents' generation became comfortable with things. We have to stop being comfortable with the destruction of not only our nation, but ourselves.

    I purposely left out anything which is found only in Catholicism, lest anyone accuse my list of being based on that. Those things take faith. What I outlined is simply an adherence to principles found in the natural law, something from which no man escapes and all good societies have understood. Even the founding fathers understood and lived by these ideas. Every generation which gave an inch to the diabolical ideas of a vocal few opened a mile on the road to hell for their children.

    I say again, the cultural Marxist rot is DEEP. When we recoil at the idea of some faggot wearing little more than glitter prancing down the street being arrested and locked up, some commie agitator being locked up, some mentally ill person deciding they're a woman and anyone saying otherwise, some child being born despite what consequence it may bring to someone who was living only in the moment (rather than the horror we should feel at abortion), etc., we know we are affected by it, even if that initial reaction is momentary and we quickly reason why X thing is in fact wrong and must be stamped out.

    But I shouldn't be surprised. At the end of the day, it's hard to tell another person or a group of people they will not destroy society when we have lost the adherence to the reality of truth. Relativism is our principle now, socially. Anything less would require us to actually give a hoot.

    OK chairman Mao, keep on thinking it's ok to jail people who disagree with you. Not ideas I served in the military for.

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    I expect it will get much worse between now and January.
    Protests have been getting progressively more violent for the past 7 years with the help of Obama and his friends in the DOJ.
    Now that Obama has nothing to lose, I expect the protests to grow and spread.

    Should be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davsel View Post
    I expect it will get much worse between now and January.
    Protests have been getting progressively more violent for the past 7 years with the help of Obama and his friends in the DOJ.
    Now that Obama has nothing to lose, I expect the protests to grow and spread.

    Should be interesting.
    I concur. Its kind of scary. They're clamoring to remove the electoral system because its "not fair". The irony....I can't even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinjmpr View Post
    "Crushing" unions and imprisoning people for holding liberal beliefs - yeah, that's how you restore the Constitution.
    Not holding, disseminating/fomenting/etc.

    "Trade unions are the schools of communism" - VI Lenin. Does the SEIU etc. show this to be false or true? True.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    OK chairman Mao, keep on thinking it's ok to jail people who disagree with you. Not ideas I served in the military for.
    Chairman Mao? lol. So you served in the military to allow the destruction of the country? I didn't. To protect the destruction of the country? I didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Exactly.

    Now if we were to shun communists and destroy their arguments with true facts then that would be a good track to take.

    When the communists riot then we have an entirely different situation wherein we can take action against them but only the rioters.
    Fomenting dissent and the destruction of an entire nation, arguing for the theft of private property, etc., isn't worthy of being considered an enemy of that nation?

    Not all ideas are precious, Robert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    Fomenting dissent and the destruction of an entire nation, arguing for the theft of private property, etc., isn't worthy of being considered an enemy of that nation?

    Not all ideas are precious, Robert.
    You're advocating for things that are unconstitutional. Don't put words in my mouth, I NEVER said all ideas are precious.

    True liberty means we must allow all manner of speech, especially speech we don't agree with.

    Liberals are the stupidest people on the planet but they have the same rights that I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    The problem with America, which led to where are as a nation today, is the idea that every idea is somehow precious and needs to be heard. Liberalism (Marxism) is a snake which needs its head cut off, a cancer which needs to be eradicated. McCarthy understood this and is now villified for being right.

    Not just political prisoners, but actual enemies of not only the state but of the people who they would seek to corrupt with promises of free shit, the continued destruction of the family and moral fiber of this nation, etc. Advocates of things which are great moral evils (abortion, lack of self-defense, communist ideals, etc.).

    It was the ww2 generation which really set the train of ruination down the tracks. They were the greatest generation in many ways, and the worst generation in others. Whether they stormed the beaches at Normandy or nearly died at Tarawa, they came back and corporately either ran roughshod over the moral fiber of the country or raised a generation which would engage in a rampant libertine attitude. Bernie Sanders didn't happen in a vacuum.

    Again, I say, our great grandparents would not find my list shocking. Neither would the founding fathers.


    Let's look at the list again:


    1) Would it be a bad thing to encourage productive farming which doesn't see a large amount of it going to a disastrous EPA-led campaign to produce less effective fuel? No
    2) Would it be a bad thing to undue to unconstitutional intrusion of the federal .gov into forcing people to buy a product at great expense and which leads to a bloating of prices? No.
    3) Would it be a bad thing to guarantee the 2nd Amendment with no ridiculous laws which make a constitutionally guaranteed right in all its substance and ancillary aspects? No.
    4) Would it be a bad thing to recognize the reality of human dignity and the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness from conception so as to guarantee a) that we arent murdering our own children and b) that we restore the consequences of decisions? No.
    5) Would it be a bad thing to encourage domestic manufacturing and decrease the federal hand into the local pocket of the working man? No.
    6) Would it be a bad thing to allow states to return to a curriculum which is sensible and teaches/encourages fundamentals without all the cultural marxist bloating? No.
    7) Would it be a bad thing to treat enemies of the future of America at every level (economic, moral, etc.) as what they are, such that we stop seeing dumb crap like Boulder High school students walking out of class because their little feelings and fantasy world got hurt? Such that people LIKE Margaret Sanger would have no room to spread their cancerous crap, Saul Alinsky to be put in jail where he belonged, and all the other commie agitators too? No.
    8) Would it be a bad thing to disallow the "schools of communism"(Lenin) to foment their class warfare BS and instead simply serve as a backstop to the potential for worker abuse? No.
    9) Would it be a bad thing to stop dangling a tax-free status over the Church in a squelching of the natural reality of the intention of the Church and of the fact that the separation of Church and State as we see today is in fact 180* from the intention of the founding fathers? No.
    10) Would it be a bad thing to return as a nation to something which is so glaringly obvious from natural law and which, frankly, the .gov should only have enforcement insofar as ensuring the protection of the oldest social norm in history? No. And I'd go further in stating that the .gov should not be involved in this anyway at any other level. No tax breaks for the married at the expense of the single, etc. The only reason the .gov is involved goes back to the days of segregation and eugenics in this country.
    11) Would it be a bad thing to stop the ridiculous displays of homosexual behavior such as we see in these "gay pride" parades, etc.? No. It's impossible to deal with what might occur between two people out of the public eye, but in the public eye that shit should be squashed.
    12) Would it be a bad thing to have the federal government do its job in a manner which encourages subsidiarity and yet also the national defense which allows defense at all levels from local to federal? No.

    It's an amazing amount of hubris to think that we can ignore thousands of years of human history which proves these basic principles one way or another. Yeah, I agree that not all of our great grandparents' ideas were good. But I'm not talking about their novelties or things like Racism (true racism, not the hurt feelings report of today), I'm talking about the things they inherited which are obviously good. GK Chesterton wrote that, "Tradition is the democracy of the dead." My parents' generation totally shirked tradition and its been a fast ride down this slippery slope since then. Their parents generation (ww2) didn't rip them back from the edge when they saw them start down the road to where we are now. Their grandparents' generation became comfortable with things. We have to stop being comfortable with the destruction of not only our nation, but ourselves.

    I purposely left out anything which is found only in Catholicism, lest anyone accuse my list of being based on that. Those things take faith. What I outlined is simply an adherence to principles found in the natural law, something from which no man escapes and all good societies have understood. Even the founding fathers understood and lived by these ideas. Every generation which gave an inch to the diabolical ideas of a vocal few opened a mile on the road to hell for their children.

    I say again, the cultural Marxist rot is DEEP. When we recoil at the idea of some faggot wearing little more than glitter prancing down the street being arrested and locked up, some commie agitator being locked up, some mentally ill person deciding they're a woman and anyone saying otherwise, some child being born despite what consequence it may bring to someone who was living only in the moment (rather than the horror we should feel at abortion), etc., we know we are affected by it, even if that initial reaction is momentary and we quickly reason why X thing is in fact wrong and must be stamped out.

    But I shouldn't be surprised. At the end of the day, it's hard to tell another person or a group of people they will not destroy society when we have lost the adherence to the reality of truth. Relativism is our principle now, socially. Anything less would require us to actually give a hoot.
    Sounds like a good start

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    When the commies throw their riot party then we can go in and kill all the participants, you're not going to kill or imprison anyone for talking about their ideas.

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