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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    What did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11? We should have bombed the shit out of Mecca, Medina and Riyadh if tit for tat was the game.
    What good would that have done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    What good would that have done?
    More good that going into Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Curious point of contention on this matter- you think we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan after 9/11? What about intervention in Somalia during the humanitarian crisis/genocide? How do you feel about Clinton's inaction with Rwanda during a genocide? You sound, to a point, fairly libertarian in your foreign policy views, to wit I would believe that you support isolationism, correct? How did that work out in 1940/41? Do you not believe that those with the power and ability have a moral obligation to attempt to stop evil from happening? I would identify more strongly toward libertarian, with the exception of foreign policy. I honestly feel that we have an obligation to stop evil (ala 1940's Germany/Holocaust, Rwanda, and hitting back after we've been hit- see Operation Enduring Freedom).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    Wars are never fought for ideals or patriotism. Only money.

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    Ive seen War Dogs too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    What did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11? We should have bombed the shit out of Mecca, Medina and Riyadh if tit for tat was the game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    The House of Saud should have been leveled . Correct, Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11.
    It isn't too late, they already live in the stone age so they won't miss much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    More good that going into Afghanistan.
    I'm certainly not impressed where we've ended up in the war on terror or how we've handled the many aspects of this. I also was a serious critic of Bush. However, it's interesting hat it has come to light so many years later that the architect of the 9/11 actually credited the war in Afghanistan with being a contributing factor to no follow up attacks in the US following 9/11.

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    If people want to fight you, you can either let them pick the battlefield or you can choose it. Personally, I would always rather fight on someone else's homeland. The inevitable collateral damage is better as far away from my family as possible. Our nation is pretty good at projecting our power when we have the resolve to do so.

    But make no mistake; there are people out there who want to fight us and they would choose to bring that fight into our homes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoMinuteMan View Post
    I'm certainly not impressed where we've ended up in the war on terror or how we've handled the many aspects of this. I also was a serious critic of Bush. However, it's interesting hat it has come to light so many years later that the architect of the 9/11 actually credited the war in Afghanistan with being a contributing factor to no follow up attacks in the US following 9/11.

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    This is myopic because it still sees the entity of Al Qaeda as a phenomenon rather than an essential offshoot of Traditional Islam; Islam is the problem. Taking out Al Qaeda is like cutting a head off of Hydra. One has to go for the immortal head. In the context of Islam that would be Mecca, primarily. I'm unaware of anything in Islamic eschatology which would account for the complete destruction of Mecca. The 5 pillars of Islam include the Hajj. Take away Mecca, you take away a pillar of Islam, and Islam's immortal head is sealed in its wound by radioactive glass. It simply dies, because nothing in its confession accounts for such a thing to occur. It would be the same blow to Christianity if one were to discover, with beyond doubt proof, the body of Jesus Christ (cf. 1 Cor 15:14). Al Qaeda is largely passe now. But ISIS and its offshoots? More heads. But I just keep coming back to the thought of what would happen if Mecca became glass, Medina became glass, and Riyadh became glass. I'm not arguing for the wanton murder of millions, either. I say give them a week to vacate. And then blow the ever living crap out of it. No more Islam -- it would be metaphysically impossible for them to continue without their stupid little black rock they all circle around once a year.

    Additionally, Afghanistan itself was a lost war from the beginning not because of Al Qaeda per se, but because Afghanistan cannot be had by outsiders. No one has pacified Afghanistan but the Afghans. Not Alexander the Great, Soviet Russia, and certainly not our feckless attempts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_L View Post
    Ive seen War Dogs too.
    I actually haven't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    I actually haven't.

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    In the movie, they say thats all war is. If you say otherwise, youre either in on it or naive.

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