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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    If you want to know what the left is doing, they're doing what they accuse the right of doing.
    SJW always lie and always project, always-Vox Day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post


    I had to google that one man.....Good one.

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    This is why certain classes of immigrants succeed: the woman hasn't seen her sisters for 10 years and only took off 2 days during a time which would have been slow and sensible to be closed anyway:

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    This is why certain classes of immigrants succeed: the woman hasn't seen her sisters for 10 years and only took off 2 days during a time which would have been slow and sensible to be closed anyway:

    Some can, but the problem is the left and the neo cons really do believe "we are all the same". That some how people with an IQ of 65 can make it in a nation/culture build by 100 IQ plus people.

    But never mind the issues that mass immigration causes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Sorry I'm a little late to the party- but seriously? What did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11? Short answer- Al Qaeda was responsible for the planning and execution of the attack, Al Qaeda was based in Taliban-Controlled Afghanistan. Bin Laden, the head of Al Qaeda was IN Afghanistan, and so we went after him. Did the Saudi Kingdom have some responsibility? Perhaps, but 15/19 hijackers being Saudi makes not the entire government responsible. We may have had a shaky relationship with the Saudis, but I hardly think the King and every single crown prince bears any blame for 9/11... Some princes, yes, as there are a few who are very anti-America and are in bed with the Wahabis.

    ETA: on the subject of Alt-Right, I find it hilarious that they claim the alt-right is a bunch of homophobic, anti-Semitic, racist folk, and then turn around and say that Milo Yiannopolis is a key figure in the alt-right. A gay, Jewish man is homophobic and racist? Sense, it makes none.
    Not defending the so-called "alt-right" but the left always takes their accusations too far.

    So... yeah...




    Gitmo prisoner reveals that Saudi ‘terrorist rehab’ center is a scam
    By Paul
    Sperry November 28, 2016

    Counterterrorism experts have long suspected
    Saudi Arabia’s “rehabilitation” center for terrorists does a poor job of
    de-radicalizing jihadists. But a Saudi detainee at Guantanamo Bay now reveals
    it’s actually a recruiting and training factory for jihad.

    According to
    recently declassified documents, senior al Qaeda operative Ghassan Abdullah
    al-Sharbi told a Gitmo parole board that the Saudi government has been
    encouraging previously released prisoners to rejoin the jihad at its terrorist
    reform school, officially known as the Prince Mohammed bin Naif Counseling and
    Care Center.

    The Obama administration has praised the effectiveness of
    the Saudi rehab program — which uses “art therapy,” swimming, ping-pong,
    PlayStation and soccer to de-radicalize terrorists — and conditioned the release
    of dozens of Gitmo prisoners, including former Osama bin Laden bodyguards, on
    their enrollment in the controversial program.

    To date, 134 Saudi
    detainees have been transferred to the Saudi reform camps in Riyadh and Jeddah.
    Last year, nine Yemeni detainees were sent there, as well, and more are expected
    to follow over the next two months, as Obama strives to meet his campaign goal
    of closing Gitmo.

    Al-Sharbi dropped a bombshell on the Gitmo parole board
    at his hearing earlier this year, when he informed members that the Saudi
    kingdom was playing them for suckers. “You guys want to send me back to Saudi
    Arabia because you believe there is a de-radicalization program on the
    surface.

    True. You are 100% right, there is a strong — externally, a
    strong — de-radicalization program,” al-Sharbi testified. “But make no mistake,
    underneath there is a hidden radicalization program,” he added. “There is a very
    hidden strong — way stronger in magnitude — broader in financing, in all
    that.”

    Al-Sharbi is one of the longest serving, and most unrepentant,
    prisoners at Gitmo. A Saudi national with an electrical engineering degree from
    King Fahd University, he attended a US flight school associated with two of the
    9/11 hijackers. He traveled to Afghanistan in the summer of 2001 and trained at
    an al Qaeda camp, building IEDs to use against allied forces.

    Al-Sharbi
    was captured March 28, 2002, at an al Qaeda safehouse in Faisalabad, Pakistan,
    with senior al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. According to his US intel dossier, he
    told interrogators that “the US got what it deserved from the terrorist attacks
    on 9/11.”

    Given a chance at parole after 14 years, however, Al-Sharbi was
    surprisingly frank with the board.

    He explained that Riyadh is actively
    recruiting and training fighters to battle Iranian elements in neighboring Yemen
    and Syria. Saudi views Shiite-controlled Iran as a regional threat to its
    security.

    “They’re launching more wars and the [United] States is backing
    off from the region,” he said. “They’re poking their nose here and here and
    there and they’re recruiting more jihadists, and they’ll tell you, ‘Okay, go
    fight in Yemen. Go fight in Syria.’ ”

    Al-Sharbi said the Saudis also are
    “encouraging” former detainees “to fight their jihad in the
    States.”

    “It’s not like a past history,” he said. “It’s
    increasing.”

    A growing body of evidence backs up his claims. Last month,
    for example, a Wikileaked e-mail from Hillary Clinton revealed, citing US
    intelligence sources, that Saudi has provided “clandestine financial and
    logistic support to” ISIS and other Sunni terrorist groups in the
    region.

    Al-Sharbi said the kingdom is playing a double game.

    “They
    will proudly tell you they will fight terrorism,” he said. “That means they will
    support it.”
    Al-Sharbi told the Gitmo board he doesn’t want to enroll in the
    Saudi rehab program, because he would be used to “fight under the Saudi royal
    cloak.”

    “This is in the cause of a king. This is not a true jihad,” he
    said. “And I’m not going to Saudi unless I am sure they’re not gonna be using
    me.”

    The Saudi rehab ruse has carried a lot of weight with the Gitmo
    parole board. Earlier this year, it released “Saudi al Qaeda recruiter and
    fighter” Muhammed Al Shumrani after his lawyers insisted that repatriating him
    to Saudi Arabia and enrolling him in its “well-established reintegration
    program” would cure his admittedly “problematic behavior.”

    Rest of article:http://nypost.com/2016/11/28/gitmo-p...ter-is-a-scam/
    Hat tip to Divemaster at http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ad.php?t=51777 as I basically copy/pasted his original post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SG1 View Post
    Some can, but the problem is the left and the neo cons really do believe "we are all the same". That some how people with an IQ of 65 can make it in a nation/culture build by 100 IQ plus people.

    But never mind the issues that mass immigration causes
    I'm not a fan of mass immigration, but of smart immigration (and that includes taking away the incentive of permanent immigration a la a reinstitution of the Bracero program). You're arguing one extreme against the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    I'm not a fan of mass immigration, but of smart immigration (and that includes taking away the incentive of permanent immigration a la a reinstitution of the Bracero program). You're arguing one extreme against the other.
    I want the US to pick the best-of-the-best when it comes to immigration. We don't need illiterate, disease-ridden peasants from any country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    I want the US to pick the best-of-the-best when it comes to immigration. We don't need illiterate, disease-ridden peasants from any country.
    That's fine, but we need to remove our collective head from butt on education and push STEM hardcore before we do that. It's typically a good idea to clean up one's own house before inviting people to come in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    That's fine, but we need to remove our collective head from butt on education and push STEM hardcore before we do that. It's typically a good idea to clean up one's own house before inviting people to come in.
    True!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    I'm not a fan of mass immigration, but of smart immigration (and that includes taking away the incentive of permanent immigration a la a reinstitution of the Bracero program). You're arguing one extreme against the other.
    Is that not what happens in life? The problem with such programs is they never just stay the way they are, the Bracero program did exist but sadly it was used as justification/brain child of H1b visa system. More over we already have millions of American teenagers, as for the "need" for farm workers? We have machines, force farmers to automate. Machines do not require welfare, do not burden the tax payers, commit crime or the worst crime of all Vote for leftist.

    If we have to choice one extreme, let us choice the extreme that benefits us. Between the last 50 year open border, mass immigration from the 3rd world failure that has produced or exacerbated poverty, crime, disease, stagnated wages and exploding costs, terrorism, and the political/cultural baknaniztion.

    Or

    A proven track record of lower immigration such as between 1924-1965 that gave us wages that increased 90%, greater unity, a shared culture, language, cultural mores, less crime and terrorism (anarchist/marxist terrorist were rampant back then) fewer and fewer public charges/welfare cases, and if it was not ended by a political faction that could not win without importing voters would have resulted in a more united, prosperous, free America and people.

    Its very clear which one is "extreme".

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