Range officer FAIL

[Joe_K]

So let me get this straight.

They are now trying to justify, by claiming no "gun safety rules" were violated, the fact that a TRAINEE being pushed in a wheelchair by someone else, where said TRAINEE is actively firing on the move over a rough surface that causes his aim to pitch at any point in time, while bullets go downrange where other TRAINEES are present, is somehow defensible to massive derp? And they're adding that anyone that thinks they're in the wrong is a geek?

Wow.

Are we positive the first video and the VSO Channel video are direcly related? The first video doesn't indicate what training class is being shown.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

[CS1983]

Are we positive the first video and the VSO Channel video are direcly related? The first video doesn't indicate what training class is being shown.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

Whether directly related or not, they have attached themselves to it by approbation of the issue at hand.

I'm all for realistic training. My biggest beef with most ranges is the fact that it's generally a static situation, whereas good training beyond the basics is never static. However, as I'm sure you remember from your extensive CQB training in the Marine Corps, such levels of training as blurring the line of fire for realism was something which was led up to and had potentially hundreds of hours of dry fire or sim trigger time before real bullets went out barrels. Even when we did reflexive fire in the Army, half the range day was spent dry firing over and over before we worked on live fire pivoting, walking, etc. If we had a malfunction, our handlers (we always had a safety with hand on pull handle of our gear)had us keep walking forward while addressing the issue so we didn't get behind the line of fire during the movement. Shoot houses were also a repetitious exercise with dry fire or blanks, with live fire being the culmination.

The thing is, there is no way they trained for the situation in the original video. It was obviously an ad hoc situation where dude went from handicapable to handicapped pretty quickly due to the terrain. Instead of pulling him off the line and addressing the issue, clearing his lane for trafficability, etc., they put an entire line of shooters at risk.

That the original instructors or some other instructors would then try to justify that is laughable (in that really uncomfortable WTH sort of way). That class wasn't grunts who had the same training for hours upon hours, it wasn't FSB or Spetsnaz or Rangers or SF or Delta or whatever. It was a bunch of yokels being led by other yokels who should have had the common sense to announce a ceasefire and reassess the ability of that person to be on the line without compromising the safety and risk to others.

[brutal]

If not directly related, and I'm reading this right, it would appear he was there?

The "me" highlight was not present in the original video.

[davsel]

Are we positive the first video and the VSO Channel video are direcly related? The first video doesn't indicate what training class is being shown.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi

Yes, directly related. Here's the DERP "After Action Report" following his training with James Yeager at Tactical Response


Same "CEO" here

[CS1983]

Oh, wait... he's a student of the Yeager school of double down on dumbassery?

It's all starting to make sense now.

[MrPrena]

Oh, wait... he's a student of the Yeager school of double down on dumbassery?

It's all starting to make sense now.

He also duel people.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei..._plus_one=form

[Joe_K]

Whether directly related or not, they have attached themselves to it by approbation of the issue at hand.

I'm all for realistic training. My biggest beef with most ranges is the fact that it's generally a static situation, whereas good training beyond the basics is never static. However, as I'm sure you remember from your extensive CQB training in the Marine Corps, such levels of training as blurring the line of fire for realism was something which was led up to and had potentially hundreds of hours of dry fire or sim trigger time before real bullets went out barrels. Even when we did reflexive fire in the Army, half the range day was spent dry firing over and over before we worked on live fire pivoting, walking, etc. If we had a malfunction, our handlers (we always had a safety with hand on pull handle of our gear)had us keep walking forward while addressing the issue so we didn't get behind the line of fire during the movement. Shoot houses were also a repetitious exercise with dry fire or blanks, with live fire being the culmination.

The thing is, there is no way they trained for the situation in the original video. It was obviously an ad hoc situation where dude went from handicapable to handicapped pretty quickly due to the terrain. Instead of pulling him off the line and addressing the issue, clearing his lane for trafficability, etc., they put an entire line of shooters at risk.

That the original instructors or some other instructors would then try to justify that is laughable (in that really uncomfortable WTH sort of way). That class wasn't grunts who had the same training for hours upon hours, it wasn't FSB or Spetsnaz or Rangers or SF or Delta or whatever. It was a bunch of yokels being led by other yokels who should have had the common sense to announce a ceasefire and reassess the ability of that person to be on the line without compromising the safety and risk to others.

Could not agree more. Mr. VSO guy, (don't know his name) lost me when him and his butt buddys started purposely causing otherwise reliable functioning handguns to suffer catastrophic failures and then blaming the manufacturer for their idiocy.

I am all for realistic training and lots of it and wholeheartedly believe most of us within this community, myself included do not get enough of it. But training for real life isn't valuable if it gets you, or someone else killed during or after training.

Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi