Hearing Protection Act

[Great-Kazoo]

And the supreme court has already seen a case and ruled on the constitutionality of the law in 1939



While it may never happen in the next few years. The Supreme Court was my reason for voting Trump. There's 1 to possibly 2-3 nominations waiting for the incoming president. Having a 5-4 is nice, having a 6-3 would be ideal for gun owners, Hopefully for states like CA & NY, as laws become more restrictive for those who follow the law.

[C Ward]

The court case was almost a slam dunk that would have struck down the law . The defendant , a depression era moonshiner arrested for a short barreled shotgun was a no show and a default judgment was found against him . There are many legal historians that have looked at the case and pretty much all agree that if he would have showed up the NFA of 34 would have been struck down .

[O2HeN2]

...my understanding is that the NFA can be directly tied to Nazi-era Germany's gun laws...

No.

...not some grand Nazi conspiracy.

Well, it depends. Turns out that the Nazi weapon law was used as a template for the gun control act of 1968. JPFO did an excellent job of translating the Nazi weapon law and placing it side-by-side with GCA68, even includes the untranslated version for those doubting thomas' that can read german.

Turns out that even the Library of Congress was in on the act, translating the german for then Senator Dodd -- all fully documented.

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/gateway.htm

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[C Ward]

Just because the GCA68 is vastly similar to the Nazi era stuff does not make a Nazi conspiracy , all the nations that restrict firearms have vastly similar laws , look at most of Europe where some of these laws were in place for decades before WW2 .

[DireWolf]

It is always funny to me where you get all the people thumping their chests about states rights and how the founding fathers put that in the constitution for a reason , which I whole heartily agree with , just look at any of the pot threads on here for many examples of this but as soon as it goes the other way and state law is the hang up its the job of the feds to remedy it with federal law . This is how we got in this place to begin with and the goal should be to eliminate the federal laws beyond the constitutional reach of the government not make it larger .

I agree to a point, and think that prohibition in general is a bit ridiculous; That said, there's somewhat of an apples-to-oranges comparison there, as there are no constitutional protections that I'm aware of which cover the "Right" to get inebriated (although if getting smashed makes you happy, there might be a viable argument there as long as it doesn't nullify the rights of anyone else...), whereas the RTKBA is explicitly codified.

It's not about "remediating" social issues, and I agree that we have way too many laws on the books as it is - this would be something simple to explicitly prevent subversion of the restrictions put into place by the BoR, and to directly provide for swift & harsh punative action against ANYONE (legislators, judges, etc.) acting to deliberately subvert those protections.

There are many legal historians that have looked at the case and pretty much all agree that if he would have showed up the NFA of 34 would have been struck down .

This is why I believe it's doable with the proper SC makeup. I also think (non-attorney opinion, so I may be missing something) that any American citizen would have proper standing to bring action against this without needing to be a criminal defendant, simply because it directly affects and inhibits our rights which have been codified in the BoR.

Turns out that the Nazi weapon law was used as a template for the gun control act of 1968. JPFO did an excellent job of translating the Nazi weapon law and placing it side-by-side with GCA68, even includes the untranslated version for those doubting thomas' that can read german.

Thank you. I knew it was in there somewhere, but must have been mis-remembering (I'm more of a "hobby scholar" and by no means a legal expert)

Just because the GCA68 is vastly similar to the Nazi era stuff does not make a Nazi conspiracy , all the nations that restrict firearms have vastly similar laws , look at most of Europe where some of these laws were in place for decades before WW2 .

I don't think there's any "Nazi Conspiracy" as such, but evil begets evil, and in my opinion completely delegitimizes any derivatives - "fruits from the poison tree", as it were....

For example, kiri-sute gomen existed long before Nazis, Communism, etc., but that doesn't mean we should be willing to accept as law anything which is similar or derivative of that, as that would be about as antithetical as I can possibly imagine to the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness....

[O2HeN2]

Just because the GCA68 is vastly similar to the Nazi era stuff does not make a Nazi conspiracy , all the nations that restrict firearms have vastly similar laws , look at most of Europe where some of these laws were in place for decades before WW2 .

Guess you missed the "well depends" part of the sentence. Appears that it was used to help write GCA68.

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[C Ward]

The example of the pot threads was about the states rights provisions in the constitution not about dope being legal or not , don't care one way or the other there . The point is you can't have it both ways either the feds are in your business or there not , I prefer not .

To get the case before the supreme court there will need to be another agreaved party and the process started all over again . And now even the conservative justice's are more liberal than what was in place in 1939 .

Government is about power and control and with ours turning from public service as originally designed to a career path is why we're sliding down this path
Untill that changes we're pretty well screwed . The apathy of the general public and the free shit army that have figured out they can vote themselves other people's money are going to be hard to change .

[Delfuego]

Chuck, Did see your new title? Fucking classic. Must be Hoser...

[C Ward]

Yes I did and yes he did .

[Aloha_Shooter]

The Supreme Court was my reason for voting Trump. There's 1 to possibly 2-3 nominations waiting for the incoming president. Having a 5-4 is nice, having a 6-3 would be ideal for gun owners

Agreed. It was extremely important to not give the Dems a chance to replace Scalia with another Sotomayor or Kagan. Getting to replace Ginsberg or Kennedy with someone like Scalia or Alito would restore balance and be a Godsend. I repeat -- RESTORE balance. Obama's and Clinton's appointments threw the Court off-balance in the first place and the Bush appointments haven't helped offset that as hoped.