Car jacking scenario

[SuperiorDG]

Her statement, "its definitely never how I thought I would have reacted," is revealing. I guess in her mind someone jacking her car at the gas station never crossed her mind. If it had she probably would have removed her keys and locked the damn car and it never would have come to this. I just read an article about situational awareness and if it's paranoia to be too aware and think too much about situations like getting your car jacked at a gas station. I'm sure the chances of this happening are low, but damn she's lucking that this few seconds of poor, non-planing didn't kill her.

[BlasterBob]

If the perp was starting to drive off with the woman on the hood, seems like he was well prepared to do some "grave bodily harm" to her especially since he hit the brakes in an attempt to knock her off. Now if there was a passenger sitting/waiting in the car, also seems like that passenger (if armed) could have held him at gun point or possibly shot the bastard to hopefully prevent him/her from seriously injuring the owner. Of course the injured perp may have hit the gas and really injured the owner. Best just NOT to leave the keys in the vehicle.

[sellersm]

This is a scenario that I review with my family a lot! My youngest daughter is about to get her drivers license this summer so we talk about these things often.

As stated above, lots of this happening here in the Springs & we know some folks who've been victims.

What's that old adage? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?


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[Eric P]

Let's add a twist to the scenario. If you had a kid in the back seat of the vehicle, everything else the same.

Is use of deadly force justified to prevent a kidnapping?

[Eric P]

If the perp was starting to drive off with the woman on the hood, seems like he was well prepared to do some "grave bodily harm" to her especially since he hit the brakes in an attempt to knock her off. Now if there was a passenger sitting/waiting in the car, also seems like that passenger (if armed) could have held him at gun point or possibly shot the bastard to hopefully prevent him/her from seriously injuring the owner. Of course the injured perp may have hit the gas and really injured the owner. Best just NOT to leave the keys in the vehicle.

In this case, after the perp got out of the car, could someone have held him at gunpoint til police arrived? Likely would have had to deal with the scum in the get away car also.

[TFOGGER]

Let's add a twist to the scenario. If you had a kid in the back seat of the vehicle, everything else the same.

Is use of deadly force justified to prevent a kidnapping?

Absolutely.

TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE
ARTICLE 1.PROVISIONS APPLICABLE TO OFFENSES GENERALLY
PART 7. JUSTIFICATION AND EXEMPTIONS FROM CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY

C.R.S. 18-1-704 (2016)

18-1-704. Use of physical force in defense of a person



(1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.

(2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:

(a) The actor has reasonable ground to believe, and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury; or

(b) The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling or business establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections 18-4-202 to 18-4-204; or

(c) The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section 18-3-301 or 18-3-302, robbery as defined in section 18-4-301 or 18-4-302, sexual assault as set forth in section 18-3-402, or in section 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 and 18-3-203.

[Great-Kazoo]

Let's add a twist to the scenario. If you had a kid in the back seat of the vehicle, everything else the same.

Is use of deadly force justified to prevent a kidnapping?

Yes. Tfogger posted the C.R.S

[sellersm]

I chose B! Well, since you put in the rhyme with the Ginsue's name, it had to be the correct choice!!

[Great-Kazoo]

Here is another fun situation for you guys to test your knowledge. Try to guess which one of these scenarios (or both - or neither) are one in which you could use lethal force in Colorado. [Note - I am not advocating the use of lethal force in these situations, nor would wisdom likely justify it, e.g. rioters would probably eat you]

A) Killdozer mark two is chugging away, blade lowered, driving straight to your house. Through PA speakers the driver announces "F*** you (name) say bye to your house!" Your family has already evacuated the residence and nobody is left inside. Can you apply lethal force to shoot the driver?

B) Rioters are outside your house. Most of them are peaceful, holding up signs, saying "You look like poo, Mr. Ginsue" or whatever they happen to be protesting. Once again, you and your family are safely outside your residence. You see one of the protesters light a Molotov cocktail and he stretches his arm back apparently preparing to throw it towards your house. Can you apply lethal force to shoot this rioter?

Consider these situations before reading below. Both, neither, or which one?













































Potentially Option B: The only circumstance where you can apply lethal force in defense of property in this State is one in which someone is about to commit felony arson.

You should have omitted the correct answer.

[ColoradoTJ]

Let's add a twist to the scenario. If you had a kid in the back seat of the vehicle, everything else the same.

Is use of deadly force justified to prevent a kidnapping?

At my kids school, parents leave the car running with kids inside all the time. Mind boggles me to no end. Sad thing is these morons have a false sense of security because it is in the "Broadmoor" and must think crime is never happens if over there.