HaHa! Von Miller loses Phil Long dealerships!

[Gman]

Are you referring to vets here, or cops? Because the first half of that sentence suggests vets, like the ones I linked to who support what the players are doing.

The second post is in regard to a comment about pacifists, not those kneeling during the anthem. You have allowed yourself to perceive things in my posts that did not come from me, yet you have accused me of making them. This is also called libel.

I did not state "veterans". There are untold numbers of civilians, philosophers, citizen politicians and military veterans that have sacrificed in the political experiment that is this constitutional republic of The United States. Many of them having lived and died before the game of football was ever invented. I am grateful to them and am willing to demonstrate some humility for this gift I've been given. I stand.

You also didn't find any statements by me where I believed that these players should be forced to stand against their will. They have an agreement with their employer. If making a visual impression is so important to them, they can do it on their own time. If they're willing to thumb their noses at their customer base, none of them will be employed for long. They have options, and one of them is kneeling for what they believe in and no paycheck.

What you really fail to realize, is that a visual gesture does nothing to solve the problem they seem to be demonstrating against. Doing something to actually fix the problem would be productive. Grandstanding/posturing does nothing but widen the divide. Doing it during the anthem sends entirely the wrong message.

...and then you went off into some drivel about Russia.

[Ridge]

They have an agreement with their employer.

The same employers who were kneeling next to them this past weekend, right?

What you really fail to realize, is that a visual gesture does nothing to solve the problem they seem to be demonstrating against. Doing something to actually fix the problem would be productive. Grandstanding/posturing does nothing but widen the divide. Doing it during the anthem sends entirely the wrong message.

Again, drawing attention to the problem they feel needs to be addressed is step 1 in driving change. Should the colonists have just bent over and lived with the unfair taxation King George imposed on them? Should the Confederate leadership have just manned up and accepted that they were going to be given unfair representation in Congress?

[00tec]

You do realize that photo was not taken during the national anthem, correct?

[davsel]

Simply stated:
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232412

**** The NFL

It's quite simple folks: You never have the right to use your professional position, while on the job, to advocate for a political position or perspective outside of that which your boss explicitly endorses and supports.

If you choose to do so anyway then you ought to be immediately fired for cause.

When I ran MCSNet anyone who did such a thing would have been instantly fired. This would have been true even if I supported the political position in question personally because to choose to do so without the explicit endorsement and participation of the corporation is to abuse your position at the firm for your personal political advocacy.

That is simply not your decision as an employee to make. Such an action constitutes gross insubordination and that's a fireable offense anywhere I've ever worked from the most-lowly job to the most-prestigious.

End of discussion, full-stop, done.

Among other things such an action may lead customers and potential customers to choose to shun the company and its products. That is a trade-off you, as a "star employee", do not have the right to evaluate or commit the firm to; it is a decision that management has the sole right to make.

Trump is exactly correct and the NFL commissioner is flat-out wrong. Since the NFL Commissioner thinks that players have the right to choose what a franchise owner must support in terms of political positions as independent acts, obligating the franchise owner to the economic consequences of same, it is my position that we should all give them plenty of economic consequences.

IN SHORT, BOYCOTT THE NFL AND EVERYTHING THAT TRADES ON SAME FOR PROMOTION, ADVERTISING AND RELATED ENDORSEMENTS.

[Gman]

Yeah, because the colonists made visual gestures, like throwing the king's tea into Boston harbor and tarring and feathering tax collectors...just for attention. They actively circumvented the king's taxes...to drive change. A public education just isn't what it used to be.

[Ridge]

Yeah, because the colonists made visual gestures, like throwing the king's tea into Boston harbor and tarring and feathering tax collectors...just for attention. They actively circumvented the king's taxes...to drive change. A public education just isn't what it used to be.

So you're advocating the players destroy private property, and then you will accept that they are petitioning for change?

[Gman]

So you're advocating the players destroy private property, and then you will accept that they are petitioning for change?

Dude...you're so far off in the weeds that you can't even see the road from where you are.

[Bailey Guns]

Dude...you're so far off in the weeds that you can't even see the road from where you are.

Yeah...that's SOP for him.

[Ridge]

Dude...you're so far off in the weeds that you can't even see the road from where you are.

Is that not what you said? The only valid or effective way to effect change is to cause financial harm to those you are petitioning?

[Gman]

Not. Either you're being intentionally obtuse, or...

(I can't say more without running into the possibility of ticking off the admins of the site.)

Gee, maybe these professional athletes could do something more productive with their fat paychecks? Maybe they could use their fame to improve their communities?

I like point/counterpoint arguments as much as the next guy, but these off-topic departures are just not worth my time.