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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    I've not found much useful info on either side apart from hyperbolic, swirling invective... but, what I can deduce is basically lack of NN = ability of service providers to effectively engage in throttling or even blocking based on content rather than actual cost of delivery; that the excuse is cost of delivery does not mean that its obvious end game is content irrespective of cost. Similar to what twitter is apparently going to do, where they can suspend or deactivate one's account based on off-platform use, association, and/or behavior.
    And who drives the idea of controlling contect? Do you think corporate America cares about content if they stand alone or does corporate America care about content because the government thinks they should and will offer tax and other incentives if corprate America controls content?

    When I say "the government" I mean the goddamn commies that infest the government at every level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Because screw the free market and capitalism, right? This is just another pet project of socialists and progressives. If you think "net neutrality" is a good thing, you're a fool.
    You don't even understand what it is or what it does. You were informed of your opinion. You are the fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    And who drives the idea of controlling contect? Do you think corporate America cares about content if they stand alone or does corporate America care about content because the government thinks they should and will offer tax and other incentives if corprate America controls content?

    When I say "the government" I mean the goddamn commies that infest the government at every level.
    When goddamn commies like Micheal Bloomberg start buying up ISPs to restrict your access to firearm content on the internet (like this site), where will you stand on Net Neutrality? With corporations like the ones owned by Bloomberg?

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    We had Internet without Net Neutrality for close to two decades and no censorship ... then Obama puts in place policies he called "Net Neutrality" (which weren't exactly what we all think of as NN but fine, whatever). Then he took control of the internet away from the evil, colonial, oppressive, white, capitalist, patriarchy and handed the internet over to an "international body" and all of the sudden we have massive censorship online (and people in Europe being arrested for wrong-think online).

    With or without Net Neutrality there WILL be throttling, ghettoization and censorship on the internet, so the government policies are pretty much irrelevant ... Our only saviors will be block chain and VPNs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 20X11 View Post
    When goddamn commies like Micheal Bloomberg start buying up ISPs to restrict your access to firearm content on the internet (like this site), where will you stand on Net Neutrality? With corporations like the ones owned by Bloomberg?
    Even with Net Neutrality there's no way to prevent that from happening ... thing is the less government regulation, the more ISPs there will be so you just shop around to get one that embraces "A Free and Open Internet", which there will be a huge market for.

    I expect eventually we'll all need to invest in VPNs to keep access to the free and open internet we all love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 20X11 View Post
    When goddamn commies like Micheal Bloomberg start buying up ISPs to restrict your access to firearm content on the internet (like this site), where will you stand on Net Neutrality? With corporations like the ones owned by Bloomberg?
    I'll stick with corporations for now but I can see your point.

    Do you think the government is going to treat firearm content differently than a GDC like Bloomberg?

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    Does anyone here actually think that throttling and selective content approval isn't happening?

    If so, get out of under your rock and do some research.

    It's already happening, and will only continue to get worse.
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    In other parts of the world, the "Internet" is divided up into groups of services like cable TV services. You want access to social media, that has a price. You want to stream content like movies, that has a price. You want access to everything the web has to offer, that has a big price. I prefer to have a pipe that I'm paying for to get access to whatever I want or need. How big the pipe is determines how much I pay.

    We've been enjoying the benefit of 'net neutrality' with the light touch oversight of the FCC. If everyone had access to every ISP, competition would be a good thing. Like electric utilities, there's not an over-abundance of competitive infrastructure into our neighborhoods. Options are even worse if you're rural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    Does anyone here actually think that throttling and selective content approval isn't happening?

    If so, get out of under your rock and do some research.

    It's already happening, and will only continue to get worse.
    With zero throttling, you would wind up with 1% of internet users hogging 90+% of the bandwidth. Throttling is how you manage an oversubscribed network... want to not have an oversubscribed network? open your wallet, because it's going to cost you dearly.

    There are technologies coming that will give more ISP options- even rural... but that doesn't mean companies providing that service plan on competing on price.... OTOH- if you limit their profit potential by forcing them to comply with gov't regulations, it's possible they'll decide it's not worth the investment to provide the other option at all.

    This isn't a simple issue.
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