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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtneer View Post
    The key issue here is the bullet ricochet off the ground. The prosecutor never argued otherwise.
    I'm pretty sure that if any of us "citizens" had done the same thing, we'd not be let off the hook like this. Regardless of the ricochet, whose finger pulled the trigger? Guilty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    Now we know the precise definition and purpose of sanctuary cities.
    Having spent a week on the CA coast last month. Sanctuary state is a better description. Literally........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtneer View Post
    The key issue here is the bullet ricochet off the ground. The prosecutor never argued otherwise.
    I fail to see how that is any less criminally negligent than someone having a ND that ricocheted off a wall??

    For example:

    -NYPD officer Peter Liang was convicted of manslaughter in 2016 for a 2014 ND that ricocheted off a wall and killed Akai Gurley inside a NYC apartment building. The conviction was later downgraded to criminally negligent homicide.

    Bottom line. If someone is negligently dicking around with a gun and kills someone, no matter what flight path the bullet takes, they should be held liable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    I fail to see how that is any less criminally negligent than someone having a ND that ricocheted off a wall??

    For example:

    -NYPD officer Peter Liang was convicted of manslaughter in 2016 for a 2014 ND that ricocheted off a wall and killed Akai Gurley inside a NYC apartment building. The conviction was later downgraded to criminally negligent homicide.

    Bottom line. If someone is negligently dicking around with a gun and kills someone, no matter what flight path the bullet takes, they should be held liable.
    Only if the person charged is a US citizen, illegals are exempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I thought that the fear of felons possessing firearms was that they'd kill someone. Guess not.
    I would say "Boom" for this point and it's clarity. Well said!

    But it's not as simple as the typical anti-gun BS. Looking deeper... What do identity politics and Lib policies say should have happened here? What are Libs on Twitter saying for the last few years? That's were my head is and last night I was fairly pissed because I firmly believe those are in play.

    The life of an American, a beautiful (read privileged) white woman, was worth less than defending the sanctuary shitty. The public defender publicly stated this after the trial by invoking Trump. And what that means should scare anyone who's paying attention because (again) the highest laws now come second to Lib politics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mtneer View Post
    The key issue here is the bullet ricochet off the ground. The prosecutor never argued otherwise.
    And who does the DA serve? You think that was just a mistake? He didn't know better?
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    We don't know what the jury instructions were, but I have a difficult time believing they were anything having to do with a sanctuary city or a slant otherwise. My one experience sitting on an attempted murder jury, more than half of the jurors didn't want to convict on what I thought was pretty clear evidence. It was a real circus and I find myself less and less surprised at decisions like this. Keep in mind that jury duty and YouTube, Facebook, and news article comments come from the same pool of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    I'm pretty sure that if any of us "citizens" had done the same thing, we'd not be let off the hook like this. Regardless of the ricochet, whose finger pulled the trigger? Guilty!
    ^^^ THIS- if it was a Trump supporter on trial, they would have made an example out of him.

    I'm sure the jury was just as impartial as I am towards Kalifornia "peers" that would be on a jury. If I ever find myself on trial there, I'd argue they likely couldn't find any "peers" in that state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    People get convicted in accidental shootings all the time. Might not be homicide, but not guilty for any any responsibility in her death is hard to believe.
    Agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by jslo View Post
    I'm not a lawyer but to find him not guilty of anything related to the non-accidental death of a person, IMO, is a travesty. He wasn't claiming self defense. People get convicted of involuntary manslaughter all the time for "accidents" and should of been the minimum in this case, IMO.
    At the very least it should have been Negligent Homicide or Manslaughter- still carries a prison sentence. Let's just hope that the deportation sticks this time... and he's deported AFTER the wall goes up.

    I never could understand defense attorneys. I understand the need for them, but I couldn't fathom what kind of person could defend some of the evil people out there- and I'm pretty well acquainted with several Public Defenders, who are actually great people, just their mentality is beyond my comprehension.
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    Wow, look at all the conservatives rioting in the streets of SF.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    I would say "Boom" for this point and it's clarity. Well said!

    But it's not as simple as the typical anti-gun BS. Looking deeper... What do identity politics and Lib policies say should have happened here? What are Libs on Twitter saying for the last few years? That's were my head is and last night I was fairly pissed because I firmly believe those are in play.

    The life of an American, a beautiful (read privileged) white woman, was worth less than defending the sanctuary shitty. The public defender publicly stated this after the trial by invoking Trump. And what that means should scare anyone who's paying attention because (again) the highest laws now come second to Lib politics.




    And who does the DA serve? You think that was just a mistake? He didn't know better?
    I can guess who the DA serves, it wasn't Kate or her family, that is for sure. The verdict came out exactly like the DA, the pubic defender, and the mayor of SF wanted it to. When a person is beholden to PC they don't know any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama View Post
    I feel bad for her family.
    This in spades. A father lost his daughter, and the whole family has been made political pawn. All he wanted was a little time with her, and he got to watch her, helplessly, die in his arms. Awful.
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