RUFKM? Judge orders Colorado Cake Maker to serve gay couples

[RblDiver]

I still think a 13th Amendment defense would be interesting.

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I still think a 13th Amendment defense would be interesting.

What would that mean to the tax code?

I have...it said no firearms allowed.

Yup.

If I even own a storefront, I want a sign like this...



With the text

COMMIE SHIT GUNS PROHIBITED
AMERICA!!!

Or...



ANTIQUATED WHEEL GUNS PROHIBITED
PLEASE CARRY A MODERN FIREARM

[Ronin13]

What would that mean to the tax code?




Yup.

If I even own a storefront, I want a sign like this...



With the text

COMMIE SHIT GUNS PROHIBITED
AMERICA!!!

Or...



ANTIQUATED WHEEL GUNS PROHIBITED
PLEASE CARRY A MODERN FIREARM

It boils down to this: Public Accommodation. The SCOTUS will have to base their decision on which is more constitutionally applicable- Private business owners reserving the right to conduct business how they see fit within religious freedoms, or if a business, open to the public MUST serve anyone without discrimination based on "protected class." This is more muddled as it's catering to special events, unlike a car dealership where they can't base their service on religious views (Can you really refuse to sell a car to a gay person because you disagree with their lifestlye?)

This will be interesting to see the result, which they anticipate the decision will be coming down in March.

[TFOGGER]

The First Amendment argument is more complex than just freedom of religion. Since the cakemaker is selling his artistic talents as part of the product, and the subject matter goes against his long held personal beliefs, the issue at stake is whether the .gov can control his "art" via regulation, or does his right of artistic expression trump the right of the protected class to not be discriminated against. I believe is does, and I'm guessing that the court, with its current makeup will as well. Otherwise, we might see suits against kosher delicatessens for not having a ham sandwich on the menu. I believe the basic right of the businessman to do business with whomsoever he or she chooses is not one that should be subject to government regulation. I'm sure we all know people who have refused to sell a gun to someone that was legally permitted to do so, just because the situation didn't "feel right". Removing that discretion is a grave mistake, in ANY business.

[hurley842002]

The First Amendment argument is more complex than just freedom of religion. Since the cakemaker is selling his artistic talents as part of the product, and the subject matter goes against his long held personal beliefs, the issue at stake is whether the .gov can control his "art" via regulation, or does his right of artistic expression trump the right of the protected class to not be discriminated against. I believe is does, and I'm guessing that the court, with its current makeup will as well. Otherwise, we might see suits against kosher delicatessens for not having a ham sandwich on the menu. I believe the basic right of the businessman to do business with whomsoever he or she chooses is not one that should be subject to government regulation. I'm sure we all know people who have refused to sell a gun to someone that was legally permitted to do so, just because the situation didn't "feel right". Removing that discretion is a grave mistake, in ANY business.

Great post!

[Ronin13]

The First Amendment argument is more complex than just freedom of religion. Since the cakemaker is selling his artistic talents as part of the product, and the subject matter goes against his long held personal beliefs, the issue at stake is whether the .gov can control his "art" via regulation, or does his right of artistic expression trump the right of the protected class to not be discriminated against. I believe is does, and I'm guessing that the court, with its current makeup will as well. Otherwise, we might see suits against kosher delicatessens for not having a ham sandwich on the menu. I believe the basic right of the businessman to do business with whomsoever he or she chooses is not one that should be subject to government regulation. I'm sure we all know people who have refused to sell a gun to someone that was legally permitted to do so, just because the situation didn't "feel right". Removing that discretion is a grave mistake, in ANY business.

Amen! Well said. I agree completely, and we can only hope the SCOTUS agrees with this notion.

[Singlestack]

The First Amendment argument is more complex than just freedom of religion. Since the cakemaker is selling his artistic talents as part of the product, and the subject matter goes against his long held personal beliefs, the issue at stake is whether the .gov can control his "art" via regulation, or does his right of artistic expression trump the right of the protected class to not be discriminated against. I believe is does, and I'm guessing that the court, with its current makeup will as well. Otherwise, we might see suits against kosher delicatessens for not having a ham sandwich on the menu. I believe the basic right of the businessman to do business with whomsoever he or she chooses is not one that should be subject to government regulation. I'm sure we all know people who have refused to sell a gun to someone that was legally permitted to do so, just because the situation didn't "feel right". Removing that discretion is a grave mistake, in ANY business.

+1. I actually believe there is a decent chance the SCOTUS decision goes against the !A and religious freedom. Kennedy is likely the swing vote and tends to side with the left on social issues. If the decision goes that way, the lefties won't like it either as Muslim photographers won't want to cover a gay wedding, etc. Unintended consequences are a bitch!

[hollohas]

If the decision goes that way, the lefties won't like it either as Muslim photographers won't want to cover a gay wedding, etc. Unintended consequences are a bitch!

Nah. Muslims are always exempt from the bleeding hearts' dumb logic.

For whatever reason, liberals seem have social justice priorities that go in this order:

Muslims>LGBT>minorities>women

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

+1. I actually believe there is a decent chance the SCOTUS decision goes against the !A and religious freedom.

x2. I hope the Baker wins, but America hates religion, unless it is the “religion of peace.”

[Gman]

The First Amendment argument is more complex than just freedom of religion. Since the cakemaker is selling his artistic talents as part of the product, and the subject matter goes against his long held personal beliefs, the issue at stake is whether the .gov can control his "art" via regulation, or does his right of artistic expression trump the right of the protected class to not be discriminated against. I believe is does, and I'm guessing that the court, with its current makeup will as well. Otherwise, we might see suits against kosher delicatessens for not having a ham sandwich on the menu. I believe the basic right of the businessman to do business with whomsoever he or she chooses is not one that should be subject to government regulation. I'm sure we all know people who have refused to sell a gun to someone that was legally permitted to do so, just because the situation didn't "feel right". Removing that discretion is a grave mistake, in ANY business.

+1