Body-Cam Video Of Daniel Shaver Shooting

[CS1983]

I can't crucify the shooter, either. That was a hot mess of a situation. At the moment when Shaver moved that right arm back, there's two voices expressing sounds of concern which likely influenced the shooter to act (he's taking in what he sees and what he hears).

That kid sounded scared shitless. But to say he wasn't a threat... he's not a threat until he's detained/restrained. In my mind, if you decide someone is not a threat then you run the risk of letting down your guard.

It's unfortunate. I think of my own kid who gets so discombobulated when he gets nervous or stressed, that he would fail to be able to focus well enough to comply exactly with instructions in such a situation. It chokes me up a little just thinking about it.

Despite all Iraqis going through English as part of school, we never approached them as native speakers. Short. Sweet. To the point. "Stop" (Awgaf), Awgaf terra armee (stop or I'll shoot"), etc. Nothing complex. Stress is a language barrier. Keep it simple. No math. No science. No complex instructions or actions (simple+simple+simple in short succession= complex). Stop. Lay Down. Detain. Done.

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Despite all Iraqis going through English as part of school, we never approached them as native speakers. Short. Sweet. To the point. "Stop" (Awgaf), Awgaf terra armee (stop or I'll shoot"), etc. Nothing complex. Stress is a language barrier. Keep it simple. No math. No science. No complex instructions or actions (simple+simple+simple in short succession= complex). Stop. Lay Down. Detain. Done.

^This is a VERY important point. Thank you posting this. If soldiers can use techniques that are more reasonable and professional in a war setting with with non-Americans who are a much higher threat, then American citizen police officers should be able to exercise at least the same amount of prudence when dealing with American civilians. Especially one who is crawling, crying and begging for his life.

This guy was clearly NOT a threat. The call was about a possible rifle...which this guy obviously didn't have. I don't care how "amped up" the officers were when they entered the floor. They should be able to calm down as soon as they get their eyes on the actual situation at hand. If police officers are unable to use their eyes and their brains to assess a situation and instead are just running on emotions based on unconfirmed possibilities from a dispatch discription, then they should find a new job.

This officer who pulled the trigger was either too sacred or too angry to wear a badge. The dust cover points to the latter. But I also guess that he was trying to compensate for the former. Because anyone who chooses to shoot a crawling, crying, begging man instead of taking the "risk" of detaining him is a coward.

[Hummer]

^This is a VERY important point. Thank you posting this. If soldiers can use techniques that are more reasonable and professional in a war setting with with non-Americans who are a much higher threat, then American citizen police officers should be able to exercise at least the same amount of prudence when dealing with American civilians. Especially one who is crawling, crying and begging for his life.

This guy was clearly NOT a threat. The call was about a possible rifle...which this guy obviously didn't have. I don't care how "amped up" the officers were when they entered the floor. They should be able to calm down as soon as they get their eyes on the actual situation at hand. If police officers are unable to use their eyes and their brains to assess a situation and instead are just running on emotions based on unconfirmed possibilities from a dispatch discription, then they should find a new job.

This officer who pulled the trigger was either too sacred or too angry to wear a badge. The dust cover points to the latter. But I also guess that he was trying to compensate for the former. Because anyone who chooses to shoot a crawling, crying, begging man instead of taking the "risk" of detaining him is a coward.

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Once spread out they could have been quickly handcuffed and situation over. The game playing was insane. It looked like murder to me.