Westgate installs gun detecting device without informing guests

[Irving]

The larger issue is that the entire point of the hospitality industry is to provide a home away from home, and with tightening restrictions, that is no longer the case. Vegas hotels have already moved to charging "resort fees" for stuff like parking and WIFI, but without anything beyond what you would expect at a "resort" or even your home. If I have to pay for amenities that I expect at ANY hotel/motel, and in addition I'm restricted on what I can bring, then what is the point?

[Zundfolge]

Its my understanding that Westgate is mostly time-shares ... so wouldn't this be more like apartments than a hotel? I didn't think it was legal to ban guns in apartment communities.

[hurley842002]

The larger issue is that the entire point of the hospitality industry is to provide a home away from home, and with tightening restrictions, that is no longer the case. Vegas hotels have already moved to charging "resort fees" for stuff like parking and WIFI, but without anything beyond what you would expect at a "resort" or even your home. If I have to pay for amenities that I expect at ANY hotel/motel, and in addition I'm restricted on what I can bring, then what is the point?

Some of them have even gone as far as to charge for access to their pools during peak season (as my wife and MIL found out).

[Irving]

Its my understanding that Westgate is mostly time-shares ... so wouldn't this be more like apartments than a hotel? I didn't think it was legal to ban guns in apartment communities.

Wasn't there a case about this within the last few years? I thought there was at least a thread on here many years ago, but I think you can ban guns. It might have been a situation where hiding was subsidized though.

Some of them have even gone as far as to charge for access to their pools during peak season (as my wife and MIL found out).

I'm not even a little surprised. Boo.

[TFOGGER]

I'm picturing the lawsuit (justified or not) when somebody has a heart attack and claims this device interfered with their implanted pacemaker...

[CS1983]

Seems to me that things like this are ironically pushing people further back while the machine moves forward, separating the people they need from being their consumer. It reminds me of the opening scene of Body of Lies, where Russell Crowe's character is laying out how the Islamic jihadists are harder to fight because they have divested from the technology needed to find them.



At some point, the oversight gets to be such that we may not even send emails anymore, talk on the phone, or even stay in a fancy hotel (or move to such on any public transportation). At some point, a man will decide no convenience is worth his God-given freedoms (especially to self-defense).

Who, then, would be left to be the consumer of the machine which has separated from the wheat from the chaff? the chaff of society. The go-along-to-get-along's. The "government has our best interests in mind" types. Idiots, simply. And that makes such venues an easy target, because there is no longer the "what if this isn't a soft target?" question in the mind of an attacker. No, the venue itself has softened itself in order to claim a harder security posture. It's so insane it's either the product of brainwashed minds or purposeful to an end opposite of the stated objective.

But what of when this technology pervades all public and most private space?

That will be interesting.

[KevDen2005]

I would be very irritated about something like this and I would choose to stay somewhere else and not give them business (like they would care anyway)

[rondog]

...and yet we still know very little about the incident that they're using as the stimulus for this response.

And we never will.

[KevDen2005]

And we never will.

Well that's just very pessimistic. They will tell us.....

[GilpinGuy]

So they alienated millions of Americans from using their hotels. Well done.

I'd love to see a dozen dudes walk in with a bunch of aluminum foil shaped into pistol shapes under their shirts and just walk around. Maybe the tech is good enough to dismiss that, but you get the idea. Maybe milled steel.

Relax, I know it isn't a good idea. It would be fun to be a fly on the wall and watch the overreaction though. Like when Derek Smalls had the cucumber wrapped in foil in his pants at the airport.