Stupid is as stupid does...

[BigBear]

The system is set up to get you in debt and keep you there. And they do a good job at it!


Look at public education, very little time spent on reading, writing and math. The basic skills needed to do anything. Without knowing what your doing how are you ever going to get ahead? Kids are not even taught to think for themselves. Full of win. Everything is rote taught or "taught to the test".

[theGinsue]

Good point Bear.

How many kids do you know who actually WANT an education? At best, most kids just want to get good grades. If that means getting a rote education just so that they pass, so be it.

Now, if I were trying to change how the next generation thinks, I'd start with removing their skills at thinking for themselves, teach them to tow the line, teach them re-writes to our own history [particularly anything that depicts the populace upraising against the .gov]. I would reduce their education in the 3 [R's Reading/'Riting/Rythmatic] -- All so that they become more and more dependent on others - especially the government.

Once you get enough of this generation thinking the way you want (there will be residual brain-washing in the simple minds of other generations too), you can begin to exert your control. Take over more and more of the things that people used to do for themselves. Extend your reach into areas which used to be considered taboo for the government. Villianize anything that stands in your way.

*POOF*

You now control an entire society of zombies.

[BigBear]

OMG?! ZOMBIES?!?!

[jake]

Good point Bear.

How many kids do you know who actually WANT an education? At best, most kids just want to get good grades. If that means getting a rote education just so that they pass, so be it.

Now, if I were trying to change how the next generation thinks, I'd start with removing their skills at thinking for themselves, teach them to tow the line, teach them re-writes to our own history [particularly anything that depicts the populace upraising against the .gov]. I would reduce their education in the 3 [R's Reading/'Riting/Rythmatic] -- All so that they become more and more dependent on others - especially the government.

Once you get enough of this generation thinking the way you want (there will be residual brain-washing in the simple minds of other generations too), you can begin to exert your control. Take over more and more of the things that people used to do for themselves. Extend your reach into areas which used to be considered taboo for the government. Villianize anything that stands in your way.

*POOF*

You now control an entire society of zombies.

That's essentially the Marxist view of the education system. Something you want to tell us?

[theGinsue]

Oh, I don't agree that it is the right thing to do, just that this is what appears to be happening in this nation.

[theGinsue]

So, in consideration of what we were discussing earlier in this thread...

I just saw this informaton today:

Which 6 degrees rank highest in terms of employment
Source: http://education.yahoo.net/articles/six_in_demand_degrees.htm?kid=12X5N
#1 - Health Care Degree
#2 - Business Administration Degree
#3 - Computer Science Degree
#4 - Accounting/Finance Degree
#5 - Engineering Degree
#6 - Marketing Degree

[wyzardd]

The system is set up to get you in debt and keep you there.

I don't entirely agree with this part in respect to higher education as a whole. It's people, especially (it seems) parents, with this attitude that their children MUST go to a university straight out of high school. And an out of state U is better than an in state one.
Of course this is where the system is set up to work the debt thing - I was accepted to a gaggle of out of state schools but couldn't get into a single in-state university. So this is where the parents need to pull their heads out for a couple of years, send your "I'm going for Women's Studies" little brat to a state college and make them work in the evening to pay for it if they aren't pulling at least an arbitrary high GPA.

That's what my folks did and that's how I paid for my own science degree while establishing a career.

Fucking Religous and Womens studies... I'm afraid you and I are going to end up eating that $100k.


I really don't need to get this wound up right before bed.

[TFOGGER]

I started working for a living right out of high school, and 26 years later, I MIGHT be ready to appreciate a college degree program. I was fortunate enough to grow up in an environment that fostered learning as a skill. I came to the conclusion after my senior year that I could essentially teach myself most of what I needed to know by reading and reasoning, and thus saved my parents thousands of dollars. Now I have a decent grounding in self taught math (through basic calculus), I feel reasonably fluent in the English language, and I have a working understanding of engineering. Maybe I'm ready to go back to school, but it won't be paid for with loans, as I also have a pretty comprehensive understanding of economics.

[ChadAmberg]

Typically, coming into the military with a Bachelor's degree gets you the title of Lieutenant, or sometimes even Captain.

Having a Master's or Doctorate in music in the USAF gets you a different title: Airman. That's not the generic title like marine, sailor, or soldier, but your rank (actually, you'd typically start as an Airman First Class).

Actually I went through basic in "beat and blow" flight, and they were filling up the ranks of AF Band at the time. Half my flight ended up with higher ranks than my TI when they walked out, the lowest was SSgt, many were TSgt, or higher.

Maybe a masters in music appreciation is useless, well, because it is... actual musicians do much better.