The Flu is Coming!

[MarkCO]

Foxtrot, I think it is one of perspective. The data I have looked at it is clear the Flu shot (or mist) works on the strains for which it is intended. However, there are some in the medical profession that have looked at the potential that having an antibody to one strain, in some cases, can depress the immune system response to a different strain. There does seem to be some traction to that. But since human subject testing is forbidden... Anyway, so if the shot is 30%, but you are more susceptible to catching the other 70%, math says it might not be the best idea. Now if they can get the shots up to 70% or greater, then it would make more sense to get the shot.

[Gman]

Flu widespread throughout the nation, 30 children dead

This year's flu season ranks among the most severe in recent years.

Influenza activity has increased and is now widespread in 49 states -- all except Hawaii -- for the week ending January 13, according to the weekly flu report released Friday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[Irving]

Makes sense, Hawaii got that warning, so they were ready.

[MarkCO]

Agreed. I worked in a Biotech Pharmaceutical Company for several years. I actually enjoyed it, but at the same time I learned more about disease and FDA regulations than I wanted to know. Crazy to be working for a company that is giving its drug away as compassionate use with the full approval of the FDA, saving thousands of lives and then that same FDA says it is not proven to be effective enough in the human trial because of how warped the regulations are.

[cmailliard]

By all means, anyone find any study that backs the opinion that it is possible to get flu from a flu shot even by the tiniest probability, or that any such virus is ever capable of infection including any other related vaccine for that matter. Surely in the decades and decades and billions of vaccines we've been doing vaccines that would've come up. "one out of a million injected viruses are active!"

Based on all the science I've seen, It is absolutely 100% not possible to get flu from the flu shot., the exceptions to the rule being e.g. if the nurse has flu when they give you the shot, or they drop the flu shot in some boogers before injecting into your arm, or you have flu boogers on your arm where they inject it, or the doctors office saves money by injecting you with used syringes they cough into to boost immunity. (Hey, they've done weird stuff before like reusing colonoscopy stuff to save money...)

Are there other side effects that you can risk, potentially even fatal ones from vaccines? Yes, although rare.

IDGAF who gets it or who doesn't. I just get annoyed over invented facts.

I'll ETA: There are LOTS of people who actually believe the flu shot can give you the flu. Cite: this thread. I'm outnumbered. That said, even if they didn't believe that, they still wouldn't get it, because their risk is low, etc. or other reasons.

I have avoided posting here because as Foxtrot said, there is fact and fiction. Please remember, more people in the U.S. die from influenza every year than died on 9/11. This year I have had two friends with family members who have died from the flu. People are/were thinking it was peaking right now . . . nope, looks like a sustained plateau.

I agree with Foxtrot, IRDGAF if you get a flu shot or not, but I do agree with science on this. Many of you have taken my medical classes, you know how much I believe in the science and data of casualty care. I didn't lie to you then and I am not lying to you now. To paraphrase James Carville "It's the flu stupid". It's not going to be Anthrax, or Smallpox, or Ebola that bites us in the ass some day, it will be influenza.

[Irving]

I have avoided posting here because as Foxtrot said, there is fact and fiction.

You're doing it wrong. If you know something, and can back it up with real world experience, then you should be posting.

[Irving]

I disdain few things more than the FDA. The amount of crap that bloated POS agency has saddled upon us all has cost more lives than any disease or vehicle. People don't realize if a miracle cure was found and proven to cure all cancers....

It would be a friggen DECADE before it could be prescribed to anyone. After all the loops to jump, the company may elect to give up at any point or may elect not to bother with R&D in the first place. In some cases the FDA can make foreign countries a decade ahead of us in medical tech/drugs.

At least it's difficult to find ear wax candles now.

[cmailliard]

Just received this

CDC virologic surveillance data shows flu season worsening, w rapid incr in deaths & hospitalizations. Spot shortages of antivirals nationwide. Caution urged.

[BushMasterBoy]

Center for Disease Control flu map below...just click on play. It will show the spread of the flu across the US.


https://espanol.cdc.gov/enes/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

[TheGrey]

To increase the frustration, not only is the flu going around, but it's cold season, too. I went to the DMV the day before yesterday, and over half the people were sniffling, sneezing, and/or looking like death warmed over. Now I've got a damn cold, and my friend has the flu. It sucks.