"Worse than Watergate"- House Intel Memo

[GilpinGuy]

Give it a week and see what happens. I agree with the others who say "nothing". Not that something "shouldn't " be done, it should. Heads should roll. But I don't think they will.

We live in a country with a corrupt government and a corrupt judicial system - on both sides of the isle. They bash each other on the talking head shows then have cocktails together afterwards.

"Wardrobe Malfunction at Halftime Show!". Headlines like that will dominate for the next week, not this.

[CoGirl303]

Foxtrot, you can't compare the outcome of Watergate 40+ years down the road with a scandal that's just breaking. I guess you can but it's nothing more than your uninformed speculation since you don't yet know how deep this goes or who's involved or what consequences may or many not come of it.

Furthermore, comparing this to Watergate, in my opinion, is like comparing a trip to the corner store to sending a man to the moon. They're that far apart.

Aside from all that, I agree with Nunes...the American people deserve to know about this level of corruption at the top levels of the very agencies that are supposed to protect them from this sort of thing. And I get it...you're extremely cynical when it comes to "the system". But I have a little experience within that system, too. It's hardly your exclusive realm. I've applied for warrants in front of judges. Sometimes at their homes in the middle of the night. I've interrupted one judge during his super bowl party to get a warrant signed. Sometimes they were very attentive to what's being asked and sometimes they just assumed that I was doing my job in an honest, professional manner. Frankly, if the FBI Director approached me with a warrant application and I was a judge I would most likely assume he'd done his job. That's why these people are in the position they are. It's not like Comey or Sally Yates carried the entire case file into the court when applying for the warrants. There's only so much a judge can vet.

So, no...I don't yet know what's going to happen. But in a sense, that doesn't matter nearly as much as knowing the truth. At least once the truth is exposed there's a chance something will come of it. If it's never exposed there's no chance. I'll go with the truth. You believe whatever you want.

maybe Judges should stop assuming and do their damn jobs that there were appointed or elected to do. That's a critical breakdown in the system and there should be accountability for those that just signoff without reviewing and researching anything first to see if there is in fact credible circumstances to sign off on a warrant or not.

Boohoo a Judges Super Bowl party gets interrupted. If he doesn't want that responsibility, he shouldn't have became a Judge then.


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[CoGirl303]

Maybe we shouldn't be using the judicial system of the late middle ages - the most historically ineffective and "unjust" one. People doing or not doing their jobs isn't the problem. No judge is going to seriously vet anything (with rare specific exceptions) - because of the sheer amount of crap they have to do and to deal with, to vet would require them to work 160 hour weeks and divorce their families. They all primarily trust the people. FISA is no different, and as shown, there are virtually no denials of warrants. The judges have obligations to vet, but it isn't ever practical to do so.

Where is the flaw? The underlying system that used technically ineffective checks and balances coupled with ineffective measures. AKA the founding fathers screwed the pooch when it came to the judicial side of the country. (and they forgot to create the 4th necessary branch, the janitorial, but that's a topic for another day). They should have been forward thinking, and adopted some aspects of the earlier Renaissance systems while creating something "truly" new. Instead, they just brought the screwed up, late British system over and branded it as American.

with todays technology, Lexis Nexis and other online legal research options, it really shouldn't take that long.


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[Bailey Guns]

Again, I disagree. Not that I don't think there are flaws in our system. But the real problem with our system is some of the people in the system. That's exactly what went wrong in this case...bad people, not a bad system. And finding out about them is a good thing no matter how you slice it.

[Skip]

Yup it's early. Remember...

Sessions recused himself of all this to avoid the perception of a conflict. We all know what The Conspiracy would say if Sessions cleared Trump--he stayed out. So the only law enforcement presence has been corrupt partisan hacks violating the law to get Trump. If the DoJ gets involved in this from the top down who knows what they will find.

The memo strips FISA protections from the compromised investigators. Notice the trend that damning (fake) evidence was leaked to media as the investigation was ongoing but the exculpatory evidence was withheld due to FISA? Now it's out. We now know Christopher Steele's motivation (Lib bias) was documented by FBI and he was fired. We now know his dossier was line item #1 in the warrant app. We also know the FBI used a Yahoo News story, written by a Fusion GPS employee, to corroborate the dossier. What else will be learned now that the investigators can't hide behind national security? These facts have been hidden from the public for 14 months while they worked an investigation they knew was predicated on lies the whole time!

I'm also reading scuttlebutt that the FBI's 702 forms were falsified calling much more than just the initial warrant into question (i.e. this is how they "got" Gen. Flynn). I still don't know what to think about Flynn because he took the deal, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

We also know Clinton/DNC hired Fusion GPS connecting this firmly to the Dims. But look at the other dots that are being connected...

Obama’s Campaign Paid $972,000 To Law Firm That Secretly Paid Fusion GPS In 2016

http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/29/...ey-fusion-gps/


It's looking like DNC/Obama/Clinton built a public/private partnership coup using Fusion GPS, FBI, NSA, and foreign intelligence agencies/resources. At first to keep Trump from being elected (election interference) but then continued after the election and into the presidency. This is a shadow government! This isn't five political hacks breaking into a hotel during an election. This is a covert effort to undermine the Executive Branch and a duly elected President with a broad conspiracy.

Are we kidding ourselves that this isn't worse than Watergate? Respectable commentators are throwing around the words sedition and treason. We are witnessing the Dims burning down the country because they lost an election!

Let's pretend the swamp does nothing about this. Where does that leave the country? Are these the new rules of engagement? Because Republicans can raise a lot of money. If we could have simply written a check to rid ourselves of Obama we would have done it! I'd be happy contribute funds for a dossier about Hickenlooper, Bennet, DeGette, Polis, Perlmutter, or the next big Dim president to get them thrown out of office if this stands. What's to stop it?

[CoGirl303]

Sounds like this was the warm up memo. More to come.

looks that way
http://cnn.it/2GKFkXq


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[Bailey Guns]

It's looking like DNC/Obama/Clinton built a public/private partnership coup using Fusion GPS, FBI, NSA, and foreign intelligence agencies/resources. At first to keep Trump from being elected (election interference) but then continued after the election and into the presidency. This is a shadow government! This isn't five political hacks breaking into a hotel during an election. This is a covert effort to undermine the Executive Branch and a duly elected President with a broad conspiracy.

Are we kidding ourselves that this isn't worse than Watergate? Respectable commentators are throwing around the words sedition and treason. We are witnessing the Dims burning down the country because they lost an election!

That's exactly right. Watergate was playground stuff compared to this. I'm baffled that people don't see that. And, yes, Watergate resulted in the resignation of a president and almost 50 people either pleading, or being found, guilty of various crimes. This is worse if for no other reason than the implications it has for the survival of our very own system of government.

[Bailey Guns]

What's refreshing is how top GOP senators and representatives are now flat-out calling democrats liars. They've lied and obstructed this entire thing since it began.

[crays]

Apparently hillbilly learned a few things from working on Watergate.

[Skip]

That's exactly right. Watergate was playground stuff compared to this. I'm baffled that people don't see that. And, yes, Watergate resulted in the resignation of a president and almost 50 people either pleading, or being found, guilty of various crimes. This is worse if for no other reason than the implications it has for the survival of our very own system of government.

I'm baffled too.

The bold is what I keep wondering which is why I asked a couple pages ago what the endgame here was. I get that PantSuit was supposed to win but they've carried this to an irresponsible level after her loss. They easily could have covered up their behavior before Nov 2016 but now it's impossible.

There really must be more at stake for them then one presidential election/term.

They aren't going to be petty tyrants after burning down the kingdom. They can't call it a "democracy" when they've turned to Fascism (ironic given AntiFa) to overthrow an election.

Already calls for violence because they are losing control...

WATCH: Radical MSNBC Guest Says ‘People Need To Start Taking To The Streets’ For A 'Revolution'

https://www.dailywire.com/news/26708...-ryan-saavedra


The same people calling for violence are the ones who have been pushing gun control.