Looming Government Shutdown (again)

[TheGrey]

My proposal: ALL federal government employees are limited to 12 years of accumulated service, other than career military. Then they have to get real jobs. So, 1 term in the House, 1 term in the Senate, and one term as president, or 6 terms in the house, or 2 terms as senator, you get the idea.Maximum 2 terms as president. No pension, if they want a retirement account, they can save like ordinary citizens. No career bureaucrats. Salary for legislators would be the national median income. After leaving office, federal employees would be barred from lobbying for 10 years. all of this would also apply to federal judge, .no more lifetime appointments.

You consider government employees not to have "real jobs"? They're not all politicians, you know. Some are extremely hard-workng individuals.

[ray1970]

You consider government employees not to have "real jobs"? They're not all politicians, you know. Some are extremely hard-workng individuals.

My wife had a government job. It was real enough that she hated it and quit.

[TFOGGER]

My wife had a government job. It was real enough that she hated it and quit.

I'm gonna throw out a wild guess and venture that a lot of her frustration stemmed from issues with co-workers, resource allocation, and clueless administration. She's probably also doing similar work in the privates sector now for more money, with less frustration.

[ray1970]

I'm gonna throw out a wild guess and venture that a lot of her frustration stemmed from issues with co-workers, resource allocation, and clueless administration. She's probably also doing similar work in the privates sector now for more money, with less frustration.

Pretty much spot on. You must be psychic.

The other thing was she was pretty much the only one working there that wasn’t related to someone else. I remember she had an issue with a coworker once but it didn’t do any good to complain because that persons supervisor was her aunt.

My company has pretty strict rules about hiring family. Apparently the government supports nepotism.

[TheGrey]

I'm gonna throw out a wild guess and venture that a lot of her frustration stemmed from issues with co-workers, resource allocation, and clueless administration. She's probably also doing similar work in the privates sector now for more money, with less frustration.

I actually worked at a company that had those exact conditions. It was hopeless.

[TFOGGER]

You consider government employees not to have "real jobs"? They're not all politicians, you know. Some are extremely hard-workng individuals.

No offense intended. Government should not be the largest employer in the country. Those same hard working people could just as easily be employed in the same capacities in the private sector(and be better compensated for their hard work), if the government were to divest itself of its powers not specifically mandated by the constitution. Just as many that work for the government are dedicated and hard working, many are inherently lazy, unproductive, and dictatorial when granted the slightest bit of authority. Bureaucracies provide a refuge for a lot of people too lazy or incompetent to succeed in the private sector.

[TheGrey]

No offense intended. Government should not be the largest employer in the country. Those same hard working people could just as easily be employed in the same capacities in the private sector(and be better compensated for their hard work), if the government were to divest itself of its powers not specifically mandated by the constitution. Just as many that work for the government are dedicated and hard working, many are inherently lazy, unproductive, and dictatorial when granted the slightest bit of authority. Bureaucracies provide a refuge for a lot of people too lazy or incompetent to succeed in the private sector.

No, they could not. There are specific jobs that cannot be relegated to the private sector- such as jobs involving the defense of the union, and areas that are not privatized.

But we are dealing with things that ARE, not what should be, according to your line of thought.

Private sector jobs also have those same lazy, unproductive, and incompetent social loafers. The government does not have a monoploy on slackers.

[sroz]

No, they could not. There are specific jobs that cannot be relegated to the private sector- such as jobs involving the defense of the union, and areas that are not privatized.

But we are dealing with things that ARE, not what should be, according to your line of thought.

Private sector jobs also have those same lazy, unproductive, and incompetent social loafers. The government does not have a monoploy on slackers.

Excluding military, what positions in defense of the Union are you referencing? I have worked military, government and civilian contractor and agree there are slackers in all. The difference being there is a much higher probability that the civilian slacker will be dealt with. It is much more difficult in the government.

We all know there are hard workers and slackers within each group. It is not a an affront to gov. employees.

[TheGrey]

Excluding military, what positions in defense of the Union are you referencing? I have worked military, government and civilian contractor and agree there are slackers in all. The difference being there is a much higher probability that the civilian slacker will be dealt with. It is much more difficult in the government.

We all know there are hard workers and slackers within each group. It is not a an affront to gov. employees.

There are many DoD positions that armed forces retirees transfer to. To fill a billet with a civilian contractor would mean that in two years (or however long the contract is for) they may lose the worker and have to re-train them and have them undergo all the education and TDYs required is a drain on the limited resources. My understanding is there are specific billets filled with government workers, so they don't need to re-invent the wheel every time a contract is up.