Shooting at School in Parkland, Florida

[Gman]

WATCH LIVE: Thousands rally for gun control after Florida massacre. Click for coverage from CBS News.

A whole lotta' stupid. "The Constitution doesn't say you have a right to buy a gun."

ETA: A whole lot of heat and not much light coming from that crowd. They twist the Constitution into giving us rights, not limiting the Federal government of infringing on the rights given to us by our creator.

A sign in the group stating "Guns don't die, children do."

[CoGirl303]

I don't know if you're from here, but with Columbine, they just closed off the library and remodeled. I think this is a newer thing. I thought Newtown demo'd that school, and I honestly didn't pay attention to any of the others enough to know how common this is. I'm in agreement with you though. People wanted to have a debate about what to do with the Aurora Theater after that as well. As one of our more insightful members suggested at the time, "It's a movie theater, show movies in it."

The deep, dark, cynical part of me wants to believe that school administrators want so badly for increased budgets all the time that they jump at the chance to tear something down and demand a brand new building. I wouldn't say that in polite company though.

born here but raised in Missouri, moved back 5 years after graduating college.

That's a lot of requotes. Anyway, the point I was trying to make, and failed to, was that so many kids are killing themselves. It's freaking tragic.

And it makes sense that some percentage of them will want to "take out" those that made them mad, sad, depressed, etc. Why are so many kids so depressed that they want to kill themselves? Drugs (illegal and prescrioption), social media, bullying, etc? I have no idea.

My guess is that 100% of the kids who commit school shootings plan on killing themselves after getting revenge, making some deranged point, or whatever. Some get cold feet and some don't get the chance because they just get caught before they can do it. My memory tells me that most actually do kill themselves - suicide by cop if you will.

I can't think of one school shooting committed by an adult - a real adult, like 30+ years old. No offense to those under 30, but you get what I mean.

Reduce the number kids who are suicidal and school shootings will naturally decrease. I don't have a solution to this problem, but it obviously exists.

this is a part of the problem in this country. just one of many aspects of this complex issue. Jon Stewart has a great take on this though.

Everyone is angry.
Everyone is offended.
Everyone is overly sensitive.
Everyone is emotional.
Everyone is this or that....


but why is it contained to America? The rest of the worlds kids arent shooting up their schools and the adults arent shooting up outdoor concerts (unless they are of the radical muslim militant variety but thats religion based zealotry and a different issue altogether).


About ten years ago, before I went to college, I was depressed and went to the mental health clinic at the VA for help. Had been for years. Wasnt suicidal, wasnt having thoughts of hurting anyone, wasnt angry, was just tired of the black rain cloud that seemed to follow me everywhere I went, tired of things going wrong and I wanted a change, wanted to do something about it. The pscyhiatrist that did my intake wrote me a script for buproprien (I think that's what it was) and sent me home. After 4 months things were worse, those meds made me feel awful. I was suddenly disinterested in everything that I loved to do. My personality changed and I felt about as close to being a zombie as you can without actually being one.

I stopped taking it, went back in and demanded a psychologist. Was assigned a female doctor and three weeks later I started counseling. About 4-6 weeks after being off the meds, I felt back to my old self. I was with her for nearly 5 years on a weekly basis and I got through my issues. I had a huge list of things I wanted to change. She taught me everything from recognition of my triggers, recognition of my behavioral patterns, how to cope with things and work through them to breathing and meditation. Best head doctor I have ever had.

Since then I havent used anything except adderall to help me focus and study in college due to my ADHD...I lose focus and get hyper sometimes lol, but I got off of that after I finished college.

But since I left her care, my confidence is my negativity is way and that little black doesnt follow me around anymore. It actually never really followed me around, I just thought it did because I was so focused on all the negativity when good and positive things did happen I rarely gave notice.



Another small part of the problem is outlined above...kids arent being taught how to cope with their problems.

Some kids never have to be taught, they figure it out and have pretty good lives. Some are all fubarred, cant get out of their own way, some live mediocre lives never step outside their safety box. Others live in darkness, doom and gloom and try to take everyone with them. Some just feel so hopeless. Parents coddle them, arent around, morals, values, respect, ethics arent being taught in the home. Good examples arent being set. A good hard working work ethic isnt reinforced. Laziness is allowed and condoned, video games, pc/tablets, smartphones have replaced physical outdoor activities that naturally burn off a lot of those negative thoughts, emotions and they're allowed to brew in a self-contained cauldron that eventually bouls over into frustration, anger, rage and violence.

Kids are no longer into fishing, hunting, hiking, climbing, archery, canoeing, rafting, camping, exploring or any of the thousands of outdoor activities.

Scientifically it's been proven that physical activity releases positive endorphins that reduce stress, anger, rage and negative thought processes.

My final observation is when I went to the mental health clinic 10 years ago, the first thing this doctor did was write a script to solve my problems with very little info...THEN they sent me to a psychologist 4 months later after I demanded to see one.

If you go to the ER and are in pain, they typically dont give you dilaudid or morphine or any other painkillers until the doctor has seen you and diagnosed you and given a prognosis. You "might" get ibuprofen if you're lucky and the ER staff is nice.

So why are psychiatrists ramming pills down peopels throats BEFORE we properly diagnose someone and get them in to talk to a professional psychologist? Pills are just an agenda being pushed. Phamaceuticals manufacture and market the pills Doctors get kickbacks Politicians gets votes in return for lobbying for Big Pharmacy The little people get screwed.


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[Irving]

Sounds like the world is a complex place with a lot of moving parts. Hopefully our hero politicians can fix everything with one sweeping gun bill. <---- Sarcasm.

[Gman]

Sounds like the world is a complex place with a lot of moving parts. Hopefully our hero politicians can fix everything with one sweeping gun bill. <---- Sarcasm.

If at first you don't succeed, do more of what has failed. It makes for a good photo-op and makes it appear that you care, without actually doing anything to solve the problem.

[Bailey Guns]

Florida's "Teacher of the Year" Kelly Guthrie Raley (from her FB page):

Okay, I’ll be the bad guy and say what no one else is brave enough to say, but wants to say. I’ll take all the criticism and attacks from everyone because you know what? I’m a TEACHER. I live this life daily. And I wouldn’t do anything else! But I also know daily I could end up in an active shooter situation.

Until we, as a country, are willing to get serious and talk about mental health issues, lack of available care for the mental health issues, lack of discipline in the home, horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school (oh no! Not MY KID. What did YOU do to cause my kid to react that way?), lack of moral values, and yes, I’ll say it-violent video games that take away all sensitivity to ANY compassion for others’ lives, as well as reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream up in each others’ faces and not value any other person but themselves, we will have a gun problem in school. Our kids don’t understand the permanency of death anymore!!!

I grew up with guns. Everyone knows that. But you know what? My parents NEVER supported any bad behavior from me. I was terrified of doing something bad at school, as I would have not had a life until I corrected the problem and straightened my ass out. My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home. They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything! Parents: it’s time to STEP UP! Be the parent that actually gives a crap! Be the annoying mom that pries and knows what your kid is doing. STOP being their friend. They have enough “friends” at school. Be their parent. Being the “cool mom” means not a damn thing when either your kid is dead or your kid kills other people because they were allowed to have their space and privacy in YOUR HOME. I’ll say it again. My home was filled with guns growing up. For God’s sake, my daddy was an 82nd Airborne Ranger who lost half his face serving our country. But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn’t mine...it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.

There. Say that I’m a horrible person. I didn’t bring up gun control, and I will refuse to debate it with anyone. This post wasn’t about gun control. This was me, loving the crap out of people and wanting the best for them. This was about my school babies and knowing that God created each one for greatness, and just wanting them to reach their futures. It’s about 20 years ago this year I started my teaching career. Violence was not this bad 20 years ago. Lack of compassion wasn’t this bad 20 years ago. And God knows 20 years ago that I wasn’t afraid daily to call a parent because I KNEW that 9 out of 10 would cuss me out, tell me to go to Hell, call the news on me, call the school board on me, or post all over FaceBook about me because I called to let them know what their child chose to do at school...because they are a NORMAL kid!!!!!

Those 17 lives mattered. When are we going to take our own responsibility seriously?

A teacher who obviously understands at least part of the problem.

[DOC]

Columbine is still the same as it was. If I recall they didn't tear anything out.
I think they kids are right to boycott but not to push a useless ban. They should boycott to repeal gun free zones. That is what is putting them in danger. But whomever put them up to protesting knows that a gun ban is what they want for the next step towards communism. And a repeal of a gun free zone repeal is something that would help stop school shootings. That's just me. I think they are staging these by giving the shooter the attention that he wouldn't get otherwise. They don't glorify a teenager that commits suicide, because they know it will breed copycats. But they will do it for school shootings. Its so many different kinds messed up all springing from the same evil. If they had someone there to stop the shooter they would have treated it like Texas and hope it goes away. But when they couldn't stop them in time like Florida then the News can't shut up about it. The media is as much to blame as the killer himself.

[CoGirl303]

https://twitter.com/ghost_tech__/sta...27576929972227

https://twitter.com/cricktsfromleft/...41186406916096

two different students claim there was a second shooter.




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[Bailey Guns]

Hmmm...I don't think so. I think they were a little confused.

[Irving]

People ALWAYS claim there was a second shooter.

[DOC]

There is always 2 people for a suicide bombing. One to blow themselves up and another with a remote in case he comes to his senses.