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[KevDen2005]

I'd offer advice but with kids I just collect guns and never shoot them (the guns, not the kids...before Irving sees this post).

[Gunner]

I'm still trying to understand the whole MOA thing. I know it means minute of angle, but aside from that, not much else.

That is completely understandable.


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https://youtu.be/VA2PZBD5Tjg


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[ray1970]

I'm still trying to understand the whole MOA thing. I know it means minute of angle, but aside from that, not much else.

That is completely understandable.


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When I first saw your last picture I was assuming it was at 100 yards. I was thinking that if you were using cheaper ammunition then maybe that was just about as good as you could do anyways. Once I actually read the context of your post and realized you were shooting at 50 yards I realized that you likely had room left for improvement.

[CoGirl303]

https://youtu.be/VA2PZBD5Tjg


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thanks for the video, but all that did was confuse me even more. Math is a serious struggle for me beyond basic addition, subtraction, division, multiplication, fractions and decimals which is a struggle without a calculator.

Trying to do numbers in my head...its like scrambled eggs.

Plus my scope is adjusted in MRADS, not MOA.

Hands on experience and training/guidance will work better for me than a video. Not your fault, just a hands on learner as opposed to visual.


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[Gunner]

MRAD adjustments are like 3.5 inches at 100 yards


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[davsel]

Not exact, but close:

1 MOA just means 1" group at 100 yards, which would equal a 2" group at 200 yards, or a .5" group at 50 yards.

If you're shooting a 2" group at 50 yards, that would be 4 MOA

[buffalobo]

There are many web sites and YouTube posters who present MOA/MRAD info/training. Also many optics manufacturers post info/training to educate on the use of their products.

Google - MRAD vs MOA, enough different presentations to get you up to speed.



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[Wolfshoon]

Her scope is in MRADS (Milliradians or MILs for short) so she needs to drop the whole MOA side of measurement and focus on MIL.

The scope is a vortex viper 1-6x low power variable with a cross reticle with MIL graduations. It is a good choice for her, she had another thread on here about scope selection and this is the winning result (much better than the ACOG) and it has the capacity to get out to 400, maybe 500 yds. Reality is that most shooting with the rifle will probably be 100 yds or under.

What she needs to do is get fundamental shooting down first and shrink the groups she is shooting, and get the scope cross-hairs zero'd at 100yd. Bench or prone shooting supported with bags/rest is best for that. Once she gets the rifle zero'd with 10 round group sizes about 1.5-2" at 100 yds then she can move on to finding her MIL drop values for further ranges. I say 1.5-2" groups because that is realistic to what her rifle and most range plinking ammo is going to shoot (S&W MP-15 16" carbine with Geissele trigger). Match grade ammo will shrink that value by about a 1/3 to 1/2 with good shooter technique but cost a lot more $$$.

The math needed for longer range is pretty simple. 1 MIL is = to 3.6 inches at 100 yards, her scope turrets are graduated in .1 MIL clicks, so each time she moves 1 click it moves the point of impact .36" at 100 yds. 3 clicks is = to roughly 1.08" at 100 yds.

As distance increases, the amount the Point of Impact changes grow with the distance. This is done in multiples of 100 yds. At 200 yds 1 MIL=7.2". Turret clicks are now .72" each now. 3 clicks will move Bullet impact 2.16"

AT 1000 yards 1 MIL is now equal to 36" and .1 MIL turret clicks will move bullet impact 3.6" each time. 3 clicks will move Point of impact approx 10.8" at 1000yds.

[CoGirl303]

There are many web sites and YouTube posters who present MOA/MRAD info/training. Also many optics manufacturers post info/training to educate on the use of their products.

Google - MRAD vs MOA, enough different presentations to get you up to speed.



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I have the manufacturers books, but it made no sense to me. Same with videos. I do better when someone explains it to me as we are doing it.

Her scope is in MRADS (Milliradians or MILs for short) so she needs to drop the whole MOA side of measurement and focus on MIL.

The scope is a vortex viper 1-6x low power variable with a cross reticle with MIL graduations. It is a good choice for her, she had another thread on here about scope selection and this is the winning result (much better than the ACOG) and it has the capacity to get out to 400, maybe 500 yds. Reality is that most shooting with the rifle will probably be 100 yds or under.

What she needs to do is get fundamental shooting down first and shrink the groups she is shooting, and get the scope cross-hairs zero'd at 100yd. Bench or prone shooting supported with bags/rest is best for that. Once she gets the rifle zero'd with 10 round group sizes about 1.5-2" at 100 yds then she can move on to finding her MIL drop values for further ranges. I say 1.5-2" groups because that is realistic to what her rifle and most range plinking ammo is going to shoot (S&W MP-15 16" carbine with Geissele trigger). Match grade ammo will shrink that value by about a 1/3 to 1/2 with good shooter technique but cost a lot more $$$.

The math needed for longer range is pretty simple. 1 MIL is = to 3.6 inches at 100 yards, her scope turrets are graduated in .1 MIL clicks, so each time she moves 1 click it moves the point of impact .36" at 100 yds. 3 clicks is = to roughly 1.08" at 100 yds.

As distance increases, the amount the Point of Impact changes grow with the distance. This is done in multiples of 100 yds. At 200 yds 1 MIL=7.2". Turret clicks are now .72" each now. 3 clicks will move Bullet impact 2.16"

AT 1000 yards 1 MIL is now equal to 36" and .1 MIL turret clicks will move bullet impact 3.6" each time. 3 clicks will move Point of impact approx 10.8" at 1000yds.

I'm really lost now.


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[Irving]

First, quit selling yourself short and using an excuse about math as a crutch. The concept of MOA requires no math to understand. When I get home, I'll try to make a crude drawing to give you the basic concept, them when you go back and read the responses, everything will make more sense, no math required. Once you see it drawn out in a diagram, the concept will "click."