Number Crunching and Arguments

[WETWRKS]

And...we as citizens can't get the gov to pull their head out of their collective asses.

Quite ironical.

Interesting thoughts, WETWRKS.

I am one of those people who's mind never shuts off and things that bug me are being worked over in the background and eventually it all clicks and says "here is your answer".

[Skip]

Leftists know their resources aren’t limited to US LE/MIL.

Doesn’t change the argument, it still works. But in practice, there are too many global interests that would want such festivities to go a certain way.

[Erni]

I am one of those people who's mind never shuts off and things that bug me are being worked over in the background and eventually it all clicks and says "here is your answer".

Ditto. It's anoying most of the time.

[WETWRKS]

I just took a look at the NICS records...if we stay on track...there will be 300m checks between Nov 1998 and the end of this year. Now those aren't all sales but that suggests there being well over 300m firearms out there.

[roberth]

I think you have good numbers WETWRKS. I've been thinking about those numbers for a few years now.

[68Charger]

I just took a look at the NICS records...if we stay on track...there will be 300m checks between Nov 1998 and the end of this year. Now those aren't all sales but that suggests there being well over 300m firearms out there.

Not necessarily... sometimes the same crappy firearm that keeps getting pawned off on someone else over and over can have many BGCs done on it, as it changes hands and they discover it's a POS and then the cycle starts over.

I don't have any hard numbers, but let's say the worst 5% are responsible for 30% of all BGCs

This isn't to say the 300M number isn't too low, I just don't think using overall BGCs are a reliable method to determine it.

[Gman]

Not necessarily... sometimes the same crappy firearm that keeps getting pawned off on someone else over and over can have many BGCs done on it, as it changes hands and they discover it's a POS and then the cycle starts over.

Yet you can also have more than one firearm per BGC.

[wctriumph]

I believe that most military and LE would not carry out such an order.

I have heard this said before:

There are around 200 million gun owners in the USA, owning over 300 million guns and several trillion round of ammo; if there were a gun problem in the country, it would be real obvious to everyone.

[KevDen2005]

I believe that most military and LE would not carry out such an order.

I don't think it's the guns and ammo that's stopping them. They aren't going to do so against their own.

I would suggest that any type of real military control over the people with illegal orders would have to take place by a foreign force

[ray1970]

I’ll just say that you guys seem pretty confident in military guys not following orders. I was always under the impression that disregarding orders in any branch was pretty much a big no-no.