DOJ / ATF moves on Bump Stocks = Machine Guns

[Great-Kazoo]

How did we get to this point.

We got to this point no thanks to spineless R's, who like Chamberlain appeased those who present[ed] a threat to freedom.


There's too many replies on this page to quote each and everyone with a LIKE hardly anything said is something i disagree with. Forget talking to those who throw temper tantrums, that time has passed.
They with the support of the media, say "We Want Common Sense Gun Laws" When they really mean the eradication of the 2nd Amendment and anything related to it.

[Grant H.]

I agree we are past the point of talking.

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[Grant H.]

They're inviting a risk of pandora's box of Ruby Ridges to take place with this nonsense should it pass.

The infamous "They" WANT a nearly endless supply of Ruby Ridge's or Waco's.

RR/Waco types of actions will be tolerated by the general populace of America, and many FUDD gun owners will be on board with the .gov "dealing with those law breakers..." (Just for specificity, I am NOT calling anyone on this board a FUDD. CYA - Long Story)...

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[Great-Kazoo]

The only hope that this country has of RR/Waco not being repeated is the use of the Internet/Social Media, as we witnessed in the Bundy Ranch incident.

Between the .gov patriot act, suckerberg and bill gates. The web could go dark right before kick off time.

CB, Hand Held and SW radio's are the way to go.

[Grant H.]

Between the .gov patriot act, suckerberg and bill gates. The web could go dark right before kick off time.

CB, Hand Held and SW radio's are the way to go.

While I completely agree with you on having CB/HH/SW radios on hand, your supposition that they will still work if they are truly trying to black out the area is faulty. Broad Spectrum jamming would eliminate all of those as working options.

The idea of blocking internet/social media only works if it is a coordinated, nationwide, simultaneous attack on the compounds.

I firmly believe that the Bundy Stand Off only succeeded due to Internet/Social Media/Real Time news/etc. Otherwise it would have gone very differently, and the truth would never have been known.

[MrAK]

I don’t believe the .gov has the resources to hit THAT many targets at the same time. RR / Waco were “successful” because of an insane disparity of force and because only one side was truly aggressive in its actions.

My heart sinks at the prospect.

[GilpinGuy]

I'm sure many of you have read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by Matthew Bracken. Does it not feel like we're inching in that direction more and more every single day? Hell, we're steamrolling in that direction now. Interesting times, for sure.

I just keep preaching the good word about guns and our rights to my kids. What else can I do at this point? Like BG wrote, it's no use even trying to communicate with, much less trust, ANY politician (R or D anyway). And trying to discuss anything guns with an anti-gun person, no matter how calm, cool and collected you are, almost always falls on deaf ears.

It's like a new religion, similar to the AGW cult fanatics. We should call anti-gun folks "Rights Deniers" from now on. I wish that would catch on, but it won't.



ETA: It's a sad thing that so many of us heaved a huge sigh of relief when Killary was defeated, only to have this guy do what he's doing. He's got a few more years to come too. Like I said, interesting times. I'm trying to remember, what gun rights were lost due to Oblahblah (not state laws)? I remember a lot of threats, but no loss of rights. I can be wrong of course....just drove 13 hours and ready for freaking bed.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The media has stirred the non-shooting public up in a panic so of course they are reacting emotionally. When that happens, trying to respond logically just doesn't work -- the best you can do is roll along with them like a calming force while you slow down and smooth down the "action" the anti-gunners demand while appearing to go in their direction. Reacting counter-emotionally with talk about Ruby Ridge is even worse because you just feed the stereotype being pushed by the gun grabbers in the liberal media and feed the hysteria of those in the middle.

If you got another Eric Holder in office (or, God forbid, the original again), you wouldn't see it as a series of events, he'd work like Julius Caesar in Belgium and take the hotspots of resistance down one by one. We've already seen how little respect Holder has for the Constitution or federal code. We would NOT be better in any way, much less in perspective of 2A rights, under HRC because the media forces that you've seen the past month would be pushing the gun grabbing message completely rather than having 90% of their attention devoted to shrilly attacking Trump with anything they can lay their hands on.

For that matter, the liberal forces would probably drop the anti-sexual harassment campaign lest it be used against HRC and Billy Boy or Uncle Joe. IMO the reason the campaign has taken off the way it did was the liberals thought it would be another weapon they could use to take down Trump. For some reason, they didn't realize that people who voted for Trump already realize he has proclivities toward beautiful women and Trump's indiscretions -- unlike Billy Boy's or Uncle Joe's -- have been with willing partners. So all the energy you're seeing in that effort would be redirected and added to the gun-grabbing movement.

IMO, let the ATF go this route and deflate the gun-grabbers. In the meantime, ready the legal challenges through 2AF and NRA-PVC so you can hit the courts as soon as ATF issues a final ruling and get a less-liberal court rule that the ATF went beyond its authorities. By the time all of that plays out, the gun-grabbers will have worked themselves into and through a frenzy then be tuckered out like a 4 year old throwing a tantrum because you won't let him have ice cream before dinner.

[Zundfolge]

Franklin D. Roosevelt

The problem is older than him. Truth is, the bureaucratic state started to grow during reconstruction. It truly metastasized into a lethal cancer under Wilson. By the time FDR got his grubby mitts on it, it was really too late.

[TFOGGER]

Blame Lincoln for the massive expansion of Federal power following the Civil war, which continued under Grant.