New chemical attack in Syria, I am confused...

[CS1983]

And there was the whole "Saddam asking the US ambassador what the US would do if Iraq invaded Kuwait, to which the Ambassador, relaying the words of President Bush, said that 'The US would consider it an Arab matter.'" Translation: Not our problem.

There was also the whole Kuwait giving Saddam money to fight Iran for them, who was also threatening Kuwait during the Iran-Iraq war and so Saddam said he could provide troops and fight for them if they assisted financially, and then demanding he pay them back *with interest*. To wit, he said, "Hold my arak and watch this," in true Mid-East redneck fashion.

[Gman]

Let the UN go charging in there with their baby blue helmets and serialized pieces of paper stating that they object to what's been going on, in the strongest wording possible. That'll scare 'em straight.

[Bailey Guns]

The whole region is so fucked up now I don't even have a clue what's really going on or who to believe about what's going on. Frankly, I think it's so complicated that no one really knows what's going on and that's part of why it's been impossible to fix.

[BushMasterBoy]

It all has to do with the price of oil. Nothing else matters to the West. Was $140 a barrel, now in the 60's. Feel free to quote and counter.

[Martinjmpr]

If we wanted to minimize casualties (if that was even an objective), we'd face reality, join Assad and the Russian's and get it over with. Yes, a shit ton of people would die, but also a shit ton less than under our current strategy. But, we can't do that because mini-cold war.

Or, better yet, just pull out and let Russia have this tar baby if they want it. I'm sure there's not 1 American in 10,000 who cares which tyrant is in charge of that shithole. I sure as hell don't.

And I'm still at the notion that chemical weapons are somehow "beyond the pale" and thus deserving of intervention. Like being killed with nerve agent is somehow a worse way to die than being blown apart by bombs or artillery shells or shot to pieces by bullets.

It reminds me of that line from Apocalypse Now, Col Kurtz said "We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!"

[def90]

It has been proven that the first gas/chemical attack that got us into Syria never happened so take this attack with a grain of salt. Odd that this one happened not long after the US signalled that it was thinking of withdrawing from this conflict.

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[cmailliard]

OP you are correct. The British with some help from HHS did a study and found removing clothes gets like 80-90% of contamination off, wiping down with a towel gets that up to 99%.

https://homelandprepnews.com/counter...-contaminants/

Decontamination is the number one priority and getting naked is the first step. Water is good, but you need some soap to decrease the surface tension of the liquid agent to get it off of your skin (think you hands after making a hamburger patty). Baby shampoo is what most teams use, but any soap, like Dawn, will work well. Most Nerve Agents are liquid and rarely are a gas, they are aerosolized as others have said, but they technically remain a liquid.

From a self protection standpoint if you are ever needing decontamination a gym with pool and shower are good choices. Next best choice a building fire sprinkler system. Break the glass bulb or metal plate and water will flow. It may be nasty water at first, but probably better than that nerve agent on you.

Signs and symptoms of nerve agent exposure are:
Salivation - Drool
Lacrimation - Tears
Urination - Pee
Defication - Poo
GI Pain - Tummy hurts
Emesis - Puke
Miosis - Pinpoint Pupils

You will also see Runny Nose and Bronchospasm. Ultimately you will die from a respiratory cause. Not sure if many are still out there on YouTube (guns bad but death by Sarin is ok), but I have a bunch of videos from the first two Sarin attacks in Syria and they demonstrate these signs and symptoms.

Treatment is airway and breathing. Atropine to treat the Cholinergic Effects (the signs and symptoms) and Pralidoxime Chloride (2-PAM) to remove the nerve agent from the Acetylcholinesterase (true antidote).

I have offered in the past, but if people are interested in a class, I can offer one up. Full on Hazmat/WMD class, even let you play with some radioactive isotopes and a radiation detector and put you in some PPE. Show you a MARK I Nerve Agent Antidote Kit (NAAK) and a DuoDote NAAK and how they work.

[bellavite1]

OP you are correct. The British with some help from HHS did a study and found removing clothes gets like 80-90% of contamination off, wiping down with a towel gets that up to 99%.

https://homelandprepnews.com/counter...-contaminants/

Decontamination is the number one priority and getting naked is the first step. Water is good, but you need some soap to decrease the surface tension of the liquid agent to get it off of your skin (think you hands after making a hamburger patty). Baby shampoo is what most teams use, but any soap, like Dawn, will work well. Most Nerve Agents are liquid and rarely are a gas, they are aerosolized as others have said, but they technically remain a liquid.

From a self protection standpoint if you are ever needing decontamination a gym with pool and shower are good choices. Next best choice a building fire sprinkler system. Break the glass bulb or metal plate and water will flow. It may be nasty water at first, but probably better than that nerve agent on you.

Signs and symptoms of nerve agent exposure are:
Salivation - Drool
Lacrimation - Tears
Urination - Pee
Defication - Poo
GI Pain - Tummy hurts
Emesis - Puke
Miosis - Pinpoint Pupils

You will also see Runny Nose and Bronchospasm. Ultimately you will die from a respiratory cause. Not sure if many are still out there on YouTube (guns bad but death by Sarin is ok), but I have a bunch of videos from the first two Sarin attacks in Syria and they demonstrate these signs and symptoms.

Treatment is airway and breathing. Atropine to treat the Cholinergic Effects (the signs and symptoms) and Pralidoxime Chloride (2-PAM) to remove the nerve agent from the Acetylcholinesterase (true antidote).

I have offered in the past, but if people are interested in a class, I can offer one up. Full on Hazmat/WMD class, even let you play with some radioactive isotopes and a radiation detector and put you in some PPE. Show you a MARK I Nerve Agent Antidote Kit (NAAK) and a DuoDote NAAK and how they work.

Thank you.
I can now officially call bullshit on these videos.

[Duman]

Signs and symptoms of nerve agent exposure are:
Salivation - Drool
Lacrimation - Tears
Urination - Pee
Defication - Poo
GI Pain - Tummy hurts
Emesis - Puke
Miosis - Pinpoint Pupils

Sounds a great deal like exposure to a hot babe that won't give you the time of day. Except for the pee, puke, and poo....

[BushMasterBoy]

It is getting real now...the president has ordered an attack according to NYT.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/w...ia-attack.html