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Originally Posted by Batteriesnare
What place of employment has the ability to backfill when EVERYONE wants the same day off? Granted I work in healthcare and of course we are all encouraged and allowed to use our PTO...but not everyone on the same day.
Obviously not a golfer.
In my job if I want more money or something I have to EARN it by becoming more productive and knowledgeable, but I work in a meritocracy where skills and knowledge are held in high regard.
Stupid people don't improve themselves or try to become more productive, stupid people go on strike so they can alienate themselves from their customer base (taxpayers) and create an adversarial relationship with their employer (taxpayers). In this case these asshole "teachers" want more money which will increase their own taxes as well as the taxes of the communities in which they "work".
Generally speaking civil service employees shouldn't be allowed to go on strike, their employer and customer are the same entity, the taxpayer, and they shouldn't be allowed to abuse the taxpayer.
I would advocate that plumbers and electricians and other trades stop using the word union and use a word that will separate their superior skills from generally low-skilled union workers, the description I'd like to see them go back to is "guild". Guilds existed partly as a pathway to skilled crafts and professions through apprenticeships and controlled access to who actually did work projects.
One other thing I forgot to mention. Economics.
There are more people coming to Colorado, thus it is safe to assume that there are more teachers included in the migration. Simple economics states that the more supply you have the lower the pricing goes, just like in my chosen field there are probably more teachers for the district to choose from so the salary will remain low until the demand is met, when the demand goes up then the price will go up providing the supply remains the same or diminishes.
If a bunch of millionaire asshole sports players can strike for MLB, NFL, NBA and NHL...so can teachers.
I'm absolutely disgusted by that Republican Senate asshole here in our legislator who was trying to pass a bill to put teachers who strike in jail. It's a direct violation of their 1st Amendment rights to demonstrate, protest, assemble and their right to redress for griveances against the government.
It's not just about their pay. It's also about their pensions and the school budgets.
Many teachers have to pay for their own supplies for their classes.
When you add in the cost of living here, these teachers are grossly underpaid. Colorado ranks 31st in terms of pay.
Even further adding to the argument, when marijuana was legalized here, Education, schools and teachers were supposed to be seeing a lot of that money...they aren't getting anywhere near what they were promised, but that's no surprise really! So was our infrastructure (roads, road repairs, improved utilities, etc) but that's a topic for another discussion. Just another example of big government promising things and failing to follow through as usual and the teachers are the ones paying the price.
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At most places of employment, vacation time must be approved prior for this very reason. Employers don't want everyone gone at once. If too many people already have the day off, your request gets denied. So yeah, most people don't get free, unapproved use of their PTO.
Teacher salaries in the metro area are pretty darn good. Yeah, its expensive to live here. It is for all of us. If you're not making enough at you're current job, find another.
Most area teachers make great pay. More than many people make in a year. In Jeffco, prior to the board recall, they were going to get pay raises...but merit based...which they were completely opposed to.
Sure, they start on the lower end as new teachers, but the salary schedule allows for a raise every year which is more than most of us will ever get.
On top of the pay being good, so are the benefits. The retirement is great. Much better than the rest of us can count on.
I really don't understand the problem. We all WISH we made more.
In Jeffco, the total general fund is $697,704,000'ish. 80% of that goes to employee compensation. 80%. And they think they don't get paid enough? There is only so much money to go around. And they get a damn big chunk of it.
What's BS IMO, is that many district charter school teachers only make a percentage of the pay the normal school teachers make. If anyone should be upset, it's them. For example, Addenbrooke Academy, which is a Jefferson County Public School, the teachers only get paid 82-93% of normal Jeffco teachers. Many others are much, much less. The charter schools only get a portion of the funding as well. School districts are not required to share property tax funding with charter schools. Which, I can't stress this enough, are PUBLIC SCHOOLS. Only 11 of the states districts equitably share funding, on a per student basis, with charter schools.
There are a whole bunch of kids and teachers not getting a fair share of funding, and it's NOT the teachers walking out. It's the public charter schools that are getting screwed.
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Are you okay with any public employee striking? Say law enforcement, fire personnel or health care? Just walk off the job claiming 1st Amendment Rights?
The school division of PERA is the most underwater of all the divisions due to having more retirees and less current employees paying into the system. People are living longer and drawing more money than the actuaries initially calculated. As such, it isn't out of the realm of reality that teachers will need to increase their portion of their retirement from 8% to 11% and not expect the school districts to increase their share as well as increasing their age of retirement to 60 from 55-58 in order to attempt to provide some solvency in their division of PERA. We state employees had to do have changes made in order to make our division of PERA more solvent and they are talking about adding more changes. As for their personal spending, most all people I know spend their personal money for equipment and supplies for their respective jobs. I do. I buy a number of pieces of rather expensive equipment in order to do my job better and safer and I deduct that from my annual taxes.
They weren't promised anything from the government; Amendment 64's wording provided the fiscal numbers, but the pro pot ads just said money to schools. Here is the language of the Amendment that no one bothered to read prior to voting for it: "Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado constitution concerning marijuana, and, in connection therewith, providing for the regulation of marijuana; permitting a person twenty-one years of age or older to consume or possess limited amounts of marijuana; providing for the licensing of cultivation facilities, product manufacturing facilities, testing facilities, and retail stores; permitting local governments to regulate or prohibit such facilities; requiring the general assembly to enact an excise tax to be levied upon wholesale sales of marijuana; requiring that the first $40 million in revenue raised annually by such
tax be credited to the public school capital construction assistance fund; and requiring the general assembly to enact legislation governing the cultivation, processing, and sale of industrial hemp?"
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
Mom was a teacher, ex-wife was a teacher, current wife was a teacher until she got tired of all the unpaid time, ridiculous constraints on her teaching methodology and subject matter, and the constant demands from a-hole parents who don't want to raise their own children but do want to yell and scream about how the school system picks up the slack. So my natural sympathy on this one is with the teachers. Anyone who thinks an Elementary school teacher is overpaid should have to spend a week in my son's class. One volunteer day a month wears me out.
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I think most taxpayers in the metro area wouldn't mind paying more in taxes to support schools if they got in return a guarantee that the additional money would be used for teacher pay and classroom expenses and NOTHING ELSE. Not administrative costs, not overhead, etc,
What taxpayers are reluctant to do (for good reason) is to write a blank check to the school district or to the state which then uses the money to increase the number of administrators, bottle washers, diversity enforcers etc or to fund "the perverted arts" (Simpson's reference.)
It seems to me it would be simple for the legislature to draft a proposal that does exactly this - raises specific taxes for the SPECIFIC purpose of raising teacher pay and NOTHING ELSE - but they won't do it because what the unions REALLY want is that blank check. They don't want strings attached or any kind of accountability.
As for teacher pay being so low that teachers can't afford living expenses, there are LOTS of people in that boat here in the Denver area. Teachers are hardly the only ones to suffer in that respect. I guess the solution for them is to either find a way to live with or find a way to change their situation, and if that means quitting their teaching job for a better paying one, or relocating to a less expensive city, then so be it. Millions of Americans do that every year and always have. If that happens, then sooner or later school districts are going to realize that if they want to retain experienced teachers they're going to have to pay them according to their value.
I don't have an issue with teachers complaining about their low pay. I do have a problem with teachers (or any other set of employees) acting as though they are a special case and deserve to be exempted (at public expense) from the same economic forces that the rest of us are subject to.
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correct me if I'm wrong but are the teachers not part of a teacher's union?
If the public employees are part of a union, then they have the right to strike. If not, then they dont...unless they vote to form a union.
I'm probably going off the ads and some of what politicians were selling in regards to mj money going towards education, but still a lot more than $90 million should be going towards education.
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Seems to be a lot of people who feel teachers are underpaid and want to raise everyone's taxes to pay them.
Why not have the teacher's unions start a GoFundMe page to accommodate these generous individuals instead?
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