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    If it actually makes sense to people reading it, then sure...

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    I will also throw out there, that if you don't have anyone in the club that can help with the install, I can/will (with enough lead time for scheduling).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    Sorry, it got "rambly"...
    Not at all. That explanation was fantastic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    I will also throw out there, that if you don't have anyone in the club that can help with the install, I can/will (with enough lead time for scheduling).
    What's you fee, besides air, vehicle , food & shelter to set something up in northern Az?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    What's you fee, besides air, vehicle , food & shelter to set something up in northern Az?
    Depends on how long it takes.

    PM me some details, if you don't want to post in a thread like this, and we can talk.
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    Grant H.’s reply was a very good in depth and detailed explanation.
    The only thing he left out, as mentioned in another thread, is the permitting costs for property improvements.

    If you were closer I would be willing to donate labor help toward installation in exchange for range passes.
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    Why not go DC with such a small system? ( like RV gear) maybe small inverters for the laptops if you can't get 12v chargers for them...

    No inverter costs or losses for the lights, could even look at distributing the batteries and panels to keep losses due to wire resistance down to a minimum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideShow Bob View Post
    Grant H.’s reply was a very good in depth and detailed explanation.
    The only thing he left out, as mentioned in another thread, is the permitting costs for property improvements.

    If you were closer I would be willing to donate labor help toward installation in exchange for range passes.
    Very good point. I'm used to the world of industrial automation. The county makes sure the appropriate number of 0's has been added to their coffers, and they don't care beyond that...

    Quote Originally Posted by 68Charger View Post
    Why not go DC with such a small system? ( like RV gear) maybe small inverters for the laptops if you can't get 12v chargers for them...

    No inverter costs or losses for the lights, could even look at distributing the batteries and panels to keep losses due to wire resistance down to a minimum.
    Also a good point.

    My assumption is that their building has these fixtures already built in, with everything already wired for normal 120VAC, hence the inverters. Feed it into the panel and off you go. It also leaves the option of using the generator for extra power. (Would require a little more planning).

    If that isn't true, then yes, considering switching to RV gear is a good option. Just be aware that if you buy 12V lights and such, you're going to want a 12V battery bank and 68C's comments concerning wire resistance and losses become even bigger worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant H. View Post
    Very good point. I'm used to the world of industrial automation. The county makes sure the appropriate number of 0's has been added to their coffers, and they don't care beyond that...



    Also a good point.

    My assumption is that their building has these fixtures already built in, with everything already wired for normal 120VAC, hence the inverters. Feed it into the panel and off you go. It also leaves the option of using the generator for extra power. (Would require a little more planning).

    If that isn't true, then yes, considering switching to RV gear is a good option. Just be aware that if you buy 12V lights and such, you're going to want a 12V battery bank and 68C's comments concerning wire resistance and losses become even bigger worries.
    Agreed, it should be designed to the situation/environment... but if the genset is already wired in, then inverters could save labor... wouldn't know the best way to do it without seeing it, just trying to give options.
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    I learned from Grant’s posts (he’s the solar guru), and like 68Charger suggested, I built a small system using a 12V system, largely using RV lighting. It’s just a tiny shack in the mountains, but a single 30w panel (with a lot of southern exposure) keep two 12V marine batteries charged enough to run three different interior lighting zones, a small fan, a porch light, and a charging station for phones (or whatever). I didn’t do Grant’s fancy math, and I’m sure I did some stuff wrong, but I only use the power for 3-5 hours a day, not every day, but it’s never run out of juice yet... and it only cost a few hundred bucks. I posted pics before, but photobucket killed them. Shoot me a pm if you want me to text some pics or if you want a look in person.

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