CU Boulder Pronoun identification selection

[CS1983]

But people don't "choose" to be gay, bi, lesbian or transgender. The only choice they made was to accept who they were, confront it and deal with it.




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How do you know? Do people *choose* to be pedophiles, pederasts, etc.? Do people *choose* to be necrophiliacs? Do people *choose* to be transamputee (or whatever the term is for people who have a mental illness that says their true self is missing a leg, and thus they chop it off). Do people *choose* to be $whatever?

The natural, biological norm is to be a heterosexual. While one may not choose a temptation away from that, in any degree, they do choose to *act* on said temptation.

[TheGrey]

I think one of the things that people are finding it hard to deal with is the fact that they are being asked (and 'asked' is sometimes masked as 'demands') to conform their behavior to other people's decisions. What I'm finding difficult to understand is not in the transgender change, but all of the new pronouns that encompass...gender-free? "Xir"?

A physical change is one thing. If someone changes themselves from male to female or female to male, it's he to she, or she to he. Got it. But the gender-free? I don't understand the need.

From the OP: "Students may select from the following options in the student portal: she/her/hers; he/him/his; they/them/theirs; ze/zir/zirs; and xe/xer/xers." This is still an optional thing, from what I see of the post.

Change is always met with resistance. We're hardwired that way. And it takes a very long time to accept. That's not saying it's good or bad, but just how it is. We're still fighting about the Civil War. We're still disagreeing about women's equality. This is no different.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

It’s hard to be different? What country are you living in? The odder you are the more celebrated you are. When did bullying go from picking on the smart kid to picking on the alphabet kid?

Why are we so dismissive and hostile to this movement? Because we know what it coming next. As we are all in the ‘gun community’ we know they will not stop at pronouns. It is the excising from society of people like us - oddly under the title of diversity and inclusiveness - that is their goal. Hell, it is even ‘for the children’ in both cases.

We have to be quiet about my son’s shooting activities because of general bias and hatred in society, but wear a dress to school and he’d get a medal. My kids school is going to get rid of its dress code because someday it might offend a kids who can’t figure out what side of the closet to pull and outfit from.

Yes, these people deserve not to be taunted and teased. But where does it end? Why at these pronouns? Aren’t there other people that we are discriminating against by not including there words? How can you arbitrarily stop there- and why isn’t he/she an also acceptable place to end?

[Bailey Guns]

But people don't "choose" to be gay, bi, lesbian or transgender. The only choice they made was to accept who they were, confront it and deal with it.

You don't know that about homosexuals. And I sure as hell don't believe that transgender people don't have a choice. But, no one knows for sure and there is no scientific study supporting the "born that way" theory that hasn't been refuted in one way or the other as far as I know. On the other hand, we have several centuries worth of the study of nature and reproduction to support the "lifestyle choice" theory.

I don't know why someone would choose to be homosexual. Again...no one knows exactly why. But I do know that nature clearly steers us in the direction of being heterosexual. That's pretty irrefutable. There may be forces or influences in someone's life at some point that left an indelible mark on their brain or psyche that might cause them to believe one way or the other that no one else is aware of...maybe even the person influenced. We just don't know.

Regardless, someone wants to be gay, fine. I'm OK with that. As a matter of fact the best man at my first wedding was gay and was kicked out of the AF because of it. I thought he got a raw deal but those were the rules and consequences at the time. But being gay shouldn't provide you with special treatment. Just like being an outspoken 2A supporter and conservative shouldn't mean I get special treatment. In a perfect world people would be treated the same until they did something to either earn special treatment or earn some type of negative treatment (ie: criminal behavior).

If people who are "different" have the right to be radical about their beliefs and take an "in your face" approach to preaching their beliefs then I have the same right in regards to my beliefs. And radical homosexual rights advocates have been preaching with the "in your face" style for decades. I'll admit it...I'm just a little tired of it.

[Bailey Guns]

It’s hard to be different? What country are you living in? The odder you are the more celebrated you are. When did bullying go from picking on the smart kid to picking on the alphabet kid?

Why are we so dismissive and hostile to this movement? Because we know what it coming next. As we are all in the ‘gun community’ we know they will not stop at pronouns. It is the excising from society of people like us - oddly under the title of diversity and inclusiveness - that is their goal. Hell, it is even ‘for the children’ in both cases.

We have to be quiet about my son’s shooting activities because of general bias and hatred in society, but wear a dress to school and he’d get a medal. My kids school is going to get rid of its dress code because someday it might offend a kids who can’t figure out what side of the closet to pull and outfit from.

Yes, these people deserve not to be taunted and teased. But where does it end? Why at these pronouns? Aren’t there other people that we are discriminating against by not including there words? How can you arbitrarily stop there- and why isn’t he/she an also acceptable place to end?

Thank you.

[Bailey Guns]

We're still fighting about the Civil War War of Northern Aggression.

[Irving]

There's a commercial that comes on one of the radio stations I listen to frequently about some young girl surfer that lost an arm to a shark attack. The moral of the story is she recovered and went back to surfing and the tag line for the end of the commercial is, "That's real courage." It's as if she saved the world or something because she lost an arm to a shark and started surfing again. I just don't see that as real courage. It's admirable she overcame such a traumatic event...good for her. But I honestly see that commercial as devaluing what I consider to be the meaning of the word 'courage'.

Every time I hear that commercial, and the others like it I think to myself, "Is this why my health insurance costs so much?"

[TheGrey]

The first time I sw "the War of Northern Aggression" I admit, I did a double-take.

The words "heroes" and "courage" are being used more and more to describe what my generation learned as "survivors." In the latest Parkland shooting, someone told the kids that they were "heroes." I've no doubt that it was partly to assuage anxieties.

[StagLefty]

^ What about "illegal and undocumented" the 2 have complete different meaning yet now they're used to describe the same thing

[cstone]