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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    I only used it for getting by a line of cars where I would have otherwise been needlessly stop and go. I didn’t weave in flowing traffic. That’s a crotch rocket tactic and not my definition of it.

    My understanding is something like a stoplight, riding up the middle and taking off to avoid the stop and go accordion. Or in slow moving traffic, going between cars to keep the bike from overheating.

    Perhaps a definition of terms from the naysayers, with examples, would be helpful. I have no idea why anyone would be opposed to it.
    As I said, more convenient for you (avoiding the stop-and-go that everyone else is stuck in) but more of a burden on everyone to monitor the spaces between vehicles. Calling the weaving between vehicles a crotch rocket tactic and then somehow elevating your own bypass of traffic makes it better?

    If your vehicle is in danger of overheating from observing normal rules of the road, perhaps it shouldn't be ON the road in those conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    As I said, more convenient for you (avoiding the stop-and-go that everyone else is stuck in) but more of a burden on everyone to monitor the spaces between vehicles. Calling the weaving between vehicles a crotch rocket tactic and then somehow elevating your own bypass of traffic makes it better?

    If your vehicle is in danger of overheating from observing normal rules of the road, perhaps it shouldn't be ON the road in those conditions?
    ^^^This.

    Perhaps in Commifornia this is acceptable where lane splitting has been legal for a long time. Trying to implement lane splitting here in Colorado where it has not been legal - ever, is a bad idea. As some people have pointed out, A LOT of the drivers here in the metro area suck. Expecting them to just immediately be like, "Oh, cool, motorcycles can legally split lanes now, soooooo I guess I'll put my cell phone down and really start paying attention to traffic" is completely unrealistic. Between all the road rage and clueless people on the roads here, practicing lane splitting will eventually get you in the hospital or morgue. Not to mention people calling local PD when they see you doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    As I said, more convenient for you (avoiding the stop-and-go that everyone else is stuck in) but more of a burden on everyone to monitor the spaces between vehicles. Calling the weaving between vehicles a crotch rocket tactic and then somehow elevating your own bypass of traffic makes it better?

    If your vehicle is in danger of overheating from observing normal rules of the road, perhaps it shouldn't be ON the road in those conditions?
    The overheating issue can apply to cars as well. HOV lane, when available, was used since in CA motorcycles can use them. Yet, one could make the argument against it. I'm not sure if HOV is allowed for bikes here, since my current bike is unsuitable for any road which would have them (its max is about 60mph).

    The issue with high speed weaving in flowing traffic, which is typically a crotch rocket tactic, is indeed dangerous in a way which going up the split of stopped or very slow traffic isn't -- particularly when there really shouldn't be an opportunity for a car to change a lane.

    And you assume that "normal rules of the road" do not include lane splitting, when in the legal contexts from whence I draw this experience, they do.
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    Motorcycles are allowed to use the HOV lanes here in Colorado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavSct1983 View Post
    The overheating issue can apply to cars as well. HOV lane, when available, was used since in CA motorcycles can use them. Yet, one could make the argument against it. I'm not sure if HOV is allowed for bikes here, since my current bike is unsuitable for any road which would have them (its max is about 60mph).

    The issue with high speed weaving in flowing traffic, which is typically a crotch rocket tactic, is indeed dangerous in a way which going up the split of stopped or very slow traffic isn't -- particularly when there really shouldn't be an opportunity for a car to change a lane.

    And you assume that "normal rules of the road" do not include lane splitting, when in the legal contexts from whence I draw this experience, they do.
    There's a reason I said "vehicle" rather than "bike" or "motorcycle". Cars that are prone to overheating when stuck in stalled traffic probably shouldn't be on the road when they're likely to be stuck in said traffic either.

    I also said "normal rules of the road" for a reason. If you want to ride that way in Commiepornia, be my guest, it's part of the normal rules of the road there. It's not here. Despite wctriumph's unsupported unconditional statement about lane-splitting saving lives, you are arguing for a behavior that inconveniences and endangers the general public to improve the convenience for a handful of people. Like exceeding the speed limit, there are very likely many scenarios where this is harmless -- but don't try to argue that it makes universal sense because it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    As I said, more convenient for you (avoiding the stop-and-go that everyone else is stuck in) but more of a burden on everyone to monitor the spaces between vehicles. Calling the weaving between vehicles a crotch rocket tactic and then somehow elevating your own bypass of traffic makes it better?

    If your vehicle is in danger of overheating from observing normal rules of the road, perhaps it shouldn't be ON the road in those conditions?
    It is a burden to drive normally in a lane or check mirrors before changing lanes ?

    Despite the fact that splitting and filtering at lights reduces traffic loads, and rider safety it seems too many people hold this attitude that somehow they are getting cheated or cut in line.
    Last edited by sportbikeco; 05-28-2018 at 13:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportbikeco View Post
    It is a burden to drive normally in a lane or check mirrors before changing lanes ?

    Despite the fact that splitting and filtering at lights reduces traffic loads, and rider safety it seems too many people hold this attitude that somehow they are getting cheated or cut in line.
    Exactly F'n right. Those drivers are total asshats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportbikeco View Post
    It is a burden to drive normally in a lane or check mirrors before changing lanes ?.
    Is it a burden for bikers to do the same and ride normally in a lane?
    Last edited by sroz; 05-28-2018 at 21:39.

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