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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Does buying with cash speed things up?
    Yes, by about 5-10 minutes.
    F&I do not need to look at banks and rates.
    Also they will most likely work little faster because there are not too much to be made on back end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufelhund View Post
    ETA: I found 4x4 pickups are far cheaper in places like Texas. It's worth it to me to buy one in a different state and drive it back if it saves me a couple grand.
    Consider this - states like TX and OK have lots of dirt roads, ranchers, farmers, and oil field workers. More than CO does. A used truck in OK or TX has a high possibility of having hard useage. I grew up in OK, seen lots of beater trucks there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rondog View Post
    Consider this - states like TX and OK have lots of dirt roads, ranchers, farmers, and oil field workers. More than CO does. A used truck in OK or TX has a high possibility of having hard useage. I grew up in OK, seen lots of beater trucks there.
    In addition, you can wash a total loss from Texas and sell it in Colorado with a clean title. A hurricane flooded truck is a much bigger worry than something just beat up on dirt roads, IMO. Teufulhund isn't incorrect though about it being a different market. One of our members here saved several thousand dollars on a brand new trailer by picking it up in Iowa instead of here.
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    WARNING ON OOS PURCHASES

    Some OOS purchases can be as mentioned (Flood) or hard driven on back roads. The other issue is some states a salvage / rebuilt title can be "washed" to show it as a regular vehicle.

    I could take a salvaged title from NE go to say (as example) NM have it VIN verified then receive a NM Title that doesn't show it as slavage title.


    If you like to haggle. We go in with a set finance payment on the table, if they can't meet it we walk. Last new buy (08) the finance guy said "With your credit rating we can get you in to a loaded truck for $600 mth"
    Told him the $250 is a max payment, the hatchback is what we want. Do you want to sell it to us or fuck around trying to upsell us something we neither want or have time to waste with you.
    If you are going to sit here dicking us around, we'll go to dealer X, they're ready to deal, yesterday. Or should we talk to your mgr and explain why we're walking out?
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    Forgot to mention that the concern of buying bad vehicles with washed titles is more of a concern here, than it is buying there, as suggested by those whom have done so.
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    Another vote for going through Costco. I got two vehicles through them an it was the easiest process ever. Research the car you want then go to Costco's website and choose that make and model. They'll email your info to the dealer that is closest to you that goes through them. They give you the "Costco" price and that's it. No haggling. You can also get a lot of other special pricing on OEM parts and options at dealer cost. It literally was the easiest process ever and I don't want to buy a new car any other way. I'm sure Sams Club has a similar option but haven't used it before.

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    Full disclosure, this is probably riddled with spelling and grammatical errors as I dictated it on my way to work

    CarMax is actually has one of the highest PVR (profit) in used cars in the industry. It’s a combination of the huge infrastructure system that allows them to move cars to places where they will sell for the highest value. The perception of a better deal under the no haggle guys. And the fact that their reconditioning on used cars is a joke, i.e. they don’t do any it’s a combination of the huge infrastructure system that allows them to move cars to places where they will sell for the highest value. The perception of a better deal under the no haggle guys. And the fact that their reconditioning on used cars is a joke, i.e. they don’t do any.

    If you’re looking for a pre-own car, car guru.com is probably one of the best sites for showing you market average pricing and what is and is not a good deal. Depending on how long you’ve been buying cars you might be under the impression that there is thousands upon thousands of dollars in negotiating room on preowned inventory. Generally speaking this is not the case anymore. The site I mentioned above along with the Internet in general has reduced the amount of margin in both new and preowned inventory’s to eight significantly smaller level than most people would think. Even in the last 5 to 7 years I’ve seen the amount of room we have to give on used cars dwindle more and more.

    The reality is is you can no longer price a car with a enough room to offer a giant discount. The way people search for cars online you’ll never even get someone through the door if you price it out of market range. Pricing is high and giving someone the warm and fuzzy feeling of a good deal sounds good, but it doesn’t work if they never came through the door in the first place. The reality is is you can no longer price a car with a Knouff room to offer a giant discount. The way people search for cars online you’ll never even get someone through the door if you price it out of market range. Pricing is high and giving someone the warm and fuzzy feeling of a good deal sounds good, but it doesn’t work if they never came through the door in the first place

    On the dealer side software now shows us who has what car, how long have they had it, how long does it take to sell, and what is the average market price. This has created a race to the bottom on the dealer side to try and show a client that there is the cheapest in a 500 mile area.

    My advice is to take an aggregate of all of the sites available, Kelley blue book, Edmonds, car guru, NADA and then do some leg work.

    No to use cars are the same and a car offered at a high-end dealership generally speaking will be a nicer example than that of one offered at a no-name dealer on used car row. A Porsche or mercedes store has much reputation to loose by selling a crappy car to someone because it’s wxpwcted they offer better product.
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    Several of people I work with have bought trucks from some big dealer in about state. I’ll see if I can figure out which one. Seems they got really great deals. A couple of them flew out and drove their new vehicle home. I think one guy had his shipped and still saved thousands over what a comparable truck would have cost him here.

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    Ok. Pretty sure it’s a Dave Smith dealership in Idaho.

    http://www.davesmith.com/

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    Granted, my last direct purchase (car) was many years ago, but I negotiated over the phone with the internet sales guy and drove down to Co Springs to pick it up.

    Local dealer treated me shitty and had the car I wanted, so i went through another dealer and had them do a swap to get it.

    My last purchase (truck) was through a broker and I got a great deal on the vehicle and my trade and no hassle.
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