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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    "That just saved my ass."

    Dude, the car just slowed to a stop in front of you. You obviously weren't paying attention.

    Loved the guy that crossed over into the oncoming lane to still hit the pig.

    Show us some immobile objects that the Tesla autopilot accelerates into.
    How can someone watch a video like that and not find a SINGLE sliver of an indication of things to come in terms of safer automobile operation? You REALLY have to be anti-[insert brand here] to not be amazed by the advancements being made in automobile safety through technology.

    You point out the obvious about "had the guy just been paying attention" no shit man... that's the point though! Not everyone pays 100% attention 24/7/365 while driving. Obviously you're one in a billion who does so I can see why you would find zero value in this system. For myself and most other drivers it's nice to have another layer of safety to have your back just in case. Not everyone who has an accident spends their entire time driving texting or reading the newspaper, some are very attentive drivers who are distracted for a split second and unlucky at the same time. If you can couple a system like this with someone who is normally very attentive and isn't going to rely on the system you have a recipe for an incredibly safe commute. The fact that people are choosing to see it as a reason to be lazy rather than another layer of safety says more about them than it does Tesla. Why some are choosing to blame Tesla for this when they put so many warnings and explanations to the contrary in front if owners is beyond me.

    The point isn't to do it for you it's to aid you in doing it. People abuse this system but that's not how it's intended or sold. It's not sold as a full autonomous driving system and they even put safety measures in to require you to pilot the vehicle. It has sensors to make sure your hands remain on the steering wheel and reminders to tell you to pay attention. That's substantially more safety than a 1980's Ford or Honda and yet people want to try to make them seem less safe by focusing on the one or two accidents that still happened while this feature was engaged rather than the literal millions avoided as demonstrated in this short video. Sure there will be random outliers here and there and that unavoidable. Remember when the media made it seem like seat belts were going to kill us all in a fiery blaze that was sure to happen if we all buckled up and got in a car accident? What about when airbags or ABS were first introduced... they were sure to kill us all. lol

    Falling for the media's need to feed on headlines though and making it seem like the system is somehow less safe is just as bad as those who know nothing about guns falling for the media narrative that make them all seem like the tool of Satan. Of course the headline reads "Another Mass Shooting at School" instead of "Another Few Thousand Lives Saved by Guns Today" because the former gets 1,000,000 more clicks than the latter. The same can be said for "Tesla on Autopilot Crashes Into Parked Fire Truck, Kills Driver" instead of "Thousands of Lives Saved Today by Tesla Cars with Autopilot" because we know which one gets more clicks. Given how early this technology is I think it shows great promise for things to come but I personally wouldn't engage it and crawl in the back seat to take a nap. That's just me. I also tend to treat every gun as if it's loaded and cringe at others complete lack of respect for firearms safety but that doesn't make the firearm itself unsafe.

    Besides, lots of Tesla cars are sold that don't even include this feature so it's not like it's a requirement to own one. You don't like the idea? Cool. Don't use it or better yet don't even pay for it to be installed. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
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    Maybe I missed it, but I don't see where the auto-pilot comments were trashing Tesla.
    You DO know they're not the only ones with this technology, right?

    And I was focused on how technology like this will affect human behavior.

    Take the bad stories with the good, it's called the truth.
    I think you're being overly sensitive about constructive criticism.... lighten up, Francis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68Charger View Post
    Maybe I missed it, but I don't see where the auto-pilot comments were trashing Tesla.
    You DO know they're not the only ones with this technology, right?

    And I was focused on how technology like this will affect human behavior.

    Take the bad stories with the good, it's called the truth.
    I think you're being overly sensitive about constructive criticism.... lighten up, Francis.
    You're ongoing criticism of all things Tesla regardless of it's basis in reality has been anything but constructive.

    The irony of the same guy saying auto-pilot makes us more susceptible to enemy invasion telling me to lighten up is not lost on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    You're ongoing criticism of all things Tesla regardless of it's basis in reality has been anything but constructive.

    The irony of the same guy saying auto-pilot makes us more susceptible to enemy invasion telling me to lighten up is not lost on me.
    *Your

    Maybe it's just the tone of your posts, the way you go to the extreme... or that you seem to relate things I'm saying about something else back as an attack on Tesla, or maybe it's just that celebrity worship is a pet peeve of mine, but I'm certainly not here to join you in worship of all things Tesla.

    If they're so awesome then one keyboard commando isn't going to take them down off their pedestal, is it?

    I can respect your opinion just as soon as you allow me mine... oh, and I'm not alone:
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    Quote Originally Posted by 68Charger View Post
    *Your

    Maybe it's just the tone of your posts, the way you go to the extreme... or that you seem to relate things I'm saying about something else back as an attack on Tesla, or maybe it's just that celebrity worship is a pet peeve of mine, but I'm certainly not here to join you in worship of all things Tesla.

    If they're so awesome then one keyboard commando isn't going to take them down off their pedestal, is it?

    I can respect your opinion just as soon as you allow me mine... oh, and I'm not alone:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlkau.../#55b3b3f7ffa4
    https://www.thestreet.com/story/1386...lutz-says.html
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/se...led-2018-05-23

    mob censorship:
    https://jalopnik.com/wall-street-jou...tes-1827785899
    The irony continues...

    Pointing out grammatical errors as if your posts are that of an English professor.

    You then go on to describe me as having "celebrity worship" and taking the "extreme stance" for pointing out misinformation....

    Yeah, I think we're done here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    Yeah, I think we're done here.
    That's a relief.

    The systems where it beeped to let them know that someone was intruding on their lane, yeah, my car has that. Does the same thing if I'm closing on someone fast and am not applying the brakes. I just don't get that excited by that video.

    The videos where autopilot is engaged and the Tesla is skipping off a jersey barrier when the lane is diverted, skipping off a steel barrier along the road, side-swiping vehicles pulled over to the side of a lane...now those are funny. Static object identification and avoidance seems to me to be a pretty basic requirement before making the technology available to the public...unless you like to pay a lot of money and risk your life (and others) as a beta tester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    The irony continues...

    Pointing out grammatical errors as if your posts are that of an English professor.

    You then go on to describe me as having "celebrity worship" and taking the "extreme stance" for pointing out misinformation....

    Yeah, I think we're done here.
    You can only decide when <you're> done. That being said, I mean no disrespect but it seems painfully apparent to me that you do.
    I don't know what you hope to accomplish with your tirades of Tesla worship, but I was never under any delusion I would convince you I'm correct... I entered into this thread from the very beginning with the belief that someone would personally attack me for pointing out that their belief system at least partially based on a person and/or corporation.
    Part of what I was doing was going farther to the extreme just because you were. (yep, I'm a troll.. Justin- Props for calling me out)

    If you're to learn anything from your elders, it's that your tactics did nothing to convince me, but further steeled my resolve.
    I'm going to leave a message for my broker to ensure that no Tesla assets are in my portfolio by the end of market tomorrow.
    This is in no way a mandate that you have to learn from me- find your own way.... I'm just telling you that you'll never convince someone of my clearly advanced age using the tactics you did in this thread.

    I at least hoped to reveal your Tesla cognitive dissonance for what it is to others... and at best I hoped you would recognize that you've got an unhealthy fixation with the subject... but alas, I believe you are convinced beyond my ability to convince you otherwise. Oh well, that's your problem.

    And I'm not going to lose a second of sleep over accusations of improper English from someone who commits the most common of errors... really, how hard is it? spend an hour studying English on this particular subject (you vs your vs you're) and you can master it... sincerely, I believe your'e smart enough- but you likely just haven't paid enough attention. But I am also never offended by someone pointing out grammatical errors in my posts, perhaps my overuse of ellipsis? After all, <dammit, Jim> I'm an Engineer, not an English professor. (paraphrasing) Forums tend to have a little informal English anyway... but there are memes based on your vs you're.

    But anyway, I've enjoyed sparring in print on the subject- even if you did not.

    P.S. (My sentence about dumping TSLA should in no way be taken as financial advice... I am not a financial adviser, even if I build networks for them)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    That's a relief.

    The systems where it beeped to let them know that someone was intruding on their lane, yeah, my car has that. Does the same thing if I'm closing on someone fast and am not applying the brakes. I just don't get that excited by that video.

    The videos where autopilot is engaged and the Tesla is skipping off a jersey barrier when the lane is diverted, skipping off a steel barrier along the road, side-swiping vehicles pulled over to the side of a lane...now those are funny. Static object identification and avoidance seems to me to be a pretty basic requirement before making the technology available to the public...unless you like to pay a lot of money and risk your life (and others) as a beta tester.
    Sorry if my response above re-sparks something... I didn't see your response until after I posted it...

    When a company stops looking at the errors the system makes, they will cease to make any improvements.
    With any system, The more rules you put in, the longer the system will take to make a decision (within the bounds of the same hardware).

    I can write some code real fast that will NEVER lead to a collision- but alas, you'll never get anywhere in that vehicle.

    So there will be a constant battle between code to recognize threats, the time to react to them, and the public perception that it's "too sensitive" and slowing their commute.
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