"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[BushMasterBoy]

My statements are based on ecological impact to the earth. We need to stop adding CO2 to the atmosphere. We also need to stop pumping our sewage the oceans. Almost all the oxygen comes from the oceans. I saw the smog over Denver metro area last week. It was horrendous. So bad it gave me a cluster headache as soon as I got to the Tech Center area.
I have a electronics/physics background and have seen the devastation of the coral reefs in Florida as a scuba diver. We are slowly killing this planet.

[newracer]

I have recently thought about getting an electric motorcycle or car as I can charge it (4 hour limit) for free at work.

[TFOGGER]

https://www.wired.com/story/hyundai-...cell-electric/

[MrPrena]

I have recently thought about getting an electric motorcycle or car as I can charge it (4 hour limit) for free at work.

I remember when one of my former co-worker (Earl) re-joined Lee Iacocca to make electric bike. It was about late 1997.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...as-E-Bike.html

IT came a long way from 22 years ago. lol

[davsel]

OldFogey posts a link that explains the subsidies Tesla takes, and you rebut it with a link that says the same thing - except your link tried to keep up the "Tesla paid off their loan early" nonsense that is explained in OldFogey's link.

You continue to use the word "facts" when you pontificate on the glory of Tesla. However, your "facts" are what is widely disputed, and you have yet to back them up with actual published data.

Tesla is a F'n cult, and you are simply passing out the Kool-Aid.

[wyome]

Tesla P100D can go 10.7 in the 1/4 mile...I'd like to join that cult

[Jer]

OldFogey posts a link that explains the subsidies Tesla takes, and you rebut it with a link that says the same thing - except your link tried to keep up the "Tesla paid off their loan early" nonsense that is explained in OldFogey's link.

You continue to use the word "facts" when you pontificate on the glory of Tesla. However, your "facts" are what is widely disputed, and you have yet to back them up with actual published data.

Tesla is a F'n cult, and you are simply passing out the Kool-Aid.

So your checkmate move is saying that there are zealots of Tesla?

You're right. Your stance is so fact based and overwhelming. lol

[MED]

I read some but not all of this. In general, EVs will develop over time; it will be interesting to see what they can do in the future. What does irritate me is that it takes time for infrastructure changes, and some people want the change right now regardless if people can afford to make the change or not or if they are financially hurt by it or not. The whole damn thing is too political, which I hate. I am staunchly against forcing people to use new technology; technology and infrastructure should follow a natural life cycle and transition through attrition based on the market of what people want and need. The people that are interested by all means develop the technology. If it is viable, people will want it. If it's not, they won't.

It really comes down to money. My last new vehicle I purchased was in 2006. I have what I need to make it through 2026 when I retire. At that time, I will upgrade my diesel flatbed dually truck that I will use when I move to my off-grid location. However, it won't be new; not even close given the insane prices of trucks these days. Even if I wanted to drive an EV, and there was one that met my needs; the cost of buying new vehicles both EV and internal combustion is outrageous; I have no desire to waste my resources purchasing a new vehicle of any kind. I'm certainly not going to purchase a new vehicle I drive into the ground commuting to work.

As far as the technology, I thought about converting an old 4x4 into an EV that I could use for bug out and charge off solar panels; there is some pretty cool stuff on the market now. Also, I will be 100% off-grid when I retire so I will be using the hybrid solar/wind/storage tech that is coming out now. I do like that part of it; finding uses that benefit me...not forcing me to do something that just costs me piles of money I don't have.

[buffalobo]

I read some but not all of this. In general, EVs will develop over time; it will be interesting to see what they can do in the future. What does irritate me is that it takes time for infrastructure changes, and some people want the change right now regardless if people can afford to make the change or not or if they are financially hurt by it or not. The whole damn thing is too political, which I hate. I am staunchly against forcing people to use new technology; technology and infrastructure should follow a natural life cycle and transition through attrition based on the market of what people want and need. The people that are interested by all means develop the technology. If it is viable, people will want it. If it's not, they won't.

It really comes down to money. My last new vehicle I purchased was in 2006. I have what I need to make it through 2026 when I retire. At that time, I will upgrade my diesel flatbed dually truck that I will use when I move to my off-grid location. However, it won't be new; not even close given the insane prices of trucks these days. Even if I wanted to drive an EV, and there was one that met my needs; the cost of buying new vehicles both EV and internal combustion is outrageous; I have no desire to waste my resources purchasing a new vehicle of any kind. I'm certainly not going to purchase a new vehicle I drive into the ground commuting to work.

As far as the technology, I thought about converting an old 4x4 into an EV that I could use for bug out and charge off solar panels; there is some pretty cool stuff on the market now. Also, I will be 100% off-grid when I retire so I will be using the hybrid solar/wind/storage tech that is coming out now. I do like that part of it; finding uses that benefit me...not forcing me to do something that just costs me piles of money I don't have.

Well said.

[newracer]

I remember when one of my former co-worker (Earl) re-joined Lee Iacocca to make electric bike. It was about late 1997.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...as-E-Bike.html

IT came a long way from 22 years ago. lol

This is one I am considering.

https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fxs/