"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[skoodge]

Also, consumer reports released their most and least reliable cars:

https://jalopnik.com/here-are-the-mo...1832866813/amp

[Eric P]

If Tesla would bring back their lotus variant or other sports car like model, I would consider it, but all the current ones look like plastic toy junk.

The good looking EVs are way out of my price range.

[Irving]

0-60 in under 4 seconds isn't sporty enough for you?

My ideal EV right now would be a 10-year old electric Suzuki SX-4 AWD.

[davsel]

Tesla is making announcements as I type this. So far the big news is that the Model 3 for $35k is now a reality earlier than expected. Range is 220 miles, 0-60 in mid 5's and delivery in under a month from when you order. There's been some other updates and more forthcoming (hopefully details on v3.0 Supercharging) info but I thought I'd update since the $35k Tesla has been brought up here and there during EV conversations. I debated started a new thread but it's a gun forum so I'll keep the EV topic discussion to this thread for now to avoid fragmentation.

And then their stock tanked
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ars-disappoint

[Eric P]

0-60 in under 4 seconds isn't sporty enough for you?

My ideal EV right now would be a 10-year old electric Suzuki SX-4 AWD.

They all LOOK like cheap plastic toys now. Their lotus LOOKED like a real sports car.

[Jer]

And then their stock tanked
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ars-disappoint

Ten years from now you'll wish you had bought in at ~$300 per share. They just announced the car that will sell 500k units worldwide this year all while decreasing the cost to build of them a full 6%... well ahead of schedule.

Your "tanked stock" is speculative since at the close of trading it was up on the day. Again. The stock was under $100 five years ago but now somehow $310 is "tanking"?

They can make tomorrow's quarterly loan payment back in cash and if the stock goes crazy tomorrow and closes at $359+/share they can actually satisfy the loan payment entirely with stock which frees up the $700mil they have in cash to buy another factory in Europe. This would free up a massive bottleneck they're experiencing trying to get Model 3's to all of the people who have ordered them in Europe. Again, more demand than supply is a good problem to have in business and yet the EV haters keep trying to sell it like some sort of a negative.

"They'll never be able to build that car that can do all of those things" and then they built it. Then it was "They'll never ramp up production to meet all of the demand" and they did that ahead of schedule. Then it was "They'll never be able to make it for $35k" and today that day came. All ahead of schedule. Now it's their stock? What's next? I mean, when will you people who just hate to hate learn to take an "L" and move on with your life.

I know you saw a negative headline on some website (probably didn't even read the words contained therein) and got a anti-EV stuffy but there's a bigger picture that the shorts and anti-EV people aren't seeing.

[DavieD55]

[Jer]

If Tesla would bring back their lotus variant or other sports car like model, I would consider it, but all the current ones look like plastic toy junk.

The good looking EVs are way out of my price range.

They all LOOK like cheap plastic toys now. Their lotus LOOKED like a real sports car.

This is your dream Tesla?



Ooof.

...and this looks like a cheap plastic toy?



Or this?



This one looks alright too:



This also doesn't suck:

[Jer]

ROFL

[Great-Kazoo]

For all the pros & cons of EV. How eco friendly can they be, when built with plastic bodies ?