BOHICA... Oil and Gas Ban, despite the voters saying no in Nov...

[whitewalrus]

Polis mentioned this during his speech after the election. It?s the typical the voters are too stupid for their own good, so we are going to put it in place anyway.

[Ah Pook]

Okay, so you don't understand what is happening, and by assumption used the word "usurp" which puts an incorrect connotation of "illegal" or "by force" on the concept.

That was what I figured...

Surface owners are made ABUNDANTLY clear what rights they are buying before purchase. Those rights may be limited to surface only, surface and water, or surface/water/mineral. If someone buys a parcel of land without mineral rights, they have to understand that someone else owns the mineral rights. If they don't, that's just a "head in the sand" attitude that will only harm them.

Once the owner of the mineral rights decides to pursue producing them, they must work with the surface owner to come to a mutually acceptable agreement concerning the use of the surface for well heads, production assets, etc... Most often, this is handled in the form of a land lease for enough space to create an access road and a production pad. This will be a fairly small amount of space, but they are paid (monthly/annually/lump sum) for the use of that land. These agreements include details of all sorts, to include how the land will be returned to existing condition when the wells are P&A'd and the pad is removed (future).

The surface owners have the right to refuse leasing their land to the production group, which often results in the production company making a deal with their neighbors to place the pad there, and then use directional drilling to develop their assets... This leads to a LOT of pissed off idiots who scream about how the O/G companies are "cheating them" and "not paying what they should be" etc... I call them idiots because they had their chance, said no, and then get pissed when their neighbor is getting paid for the land use. (I am friends with a family that did exactly this, and they are still bitter against the company despite having been offered the chance to make the money themselves.)


ETA: I will throw this in there...

Property buyers are made abundantly aware of what they are buying, whether they read the details or not. One of the current issues has some dumb broad who claims "she didn't know she owned mineral rights". This means that she didn't pay attention when purchasing her home however many years ago. It was all handled in the contract.

ETA2: Buying and selling of mineral rights has been going on for a LONG time in the US, one of the last places on the earth where private individuals are allowed to own mineral rights. In the case of my friends family, their family bought a large piece of land several generations ago, and the forebear sold off the mineral rights for liquid capital to build a new shop and start a business out of it. There was a lot of anti-O/G whining from them when they found out they weren't going to be getting any royalties from the production, but they have no legal claim to it. Just because whoever sold them off doesn't own the property anymore doesn't negate the deal that was made for the mineral rights.

Thank you for the clarification.

[def90]

Did this bill just get canned? I am sitting at the bar at the Rio in Boulder enjoying a margarita and the lady next to me is looking at her phone and gets all huffy and is gesturing and saying things out loud about a bill being shut down in committee and how horrible it is as if she wants me to respond, I don't.

She eventually calls someone and leaves a voicemail asking what's going on.. she then gets on the phone with someone and she starts talking to the person on the other end saying that she thought the idea was to get the bill out there fast and get it passed before oil and gas could get enough people rallied to make a difference.. the conversation trails off as she gets up to leave while still gabbing on the phone

Fucking bitch

[CS1983]

It appeared before Senate Transportation and Energy committee today:
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb19-181

No updated status officially that I could find.

[DDT951]

Did this bill just get canned? I am sitting at the bar at the Rio in Boulder enjoying a margarita and the lady next to me is looking at her phone and gets all huffy and is gesturing and saying things out loud about a bill being shut down in committee and how horrible it is as if she wants me to respond, I don't.

She eventually calls someone and leaves a voicemail asking what's going on.. she then gets on the phone with someone and she starts talking to the person on the other end saying that she thought the idea was to get the bill out there fast and get it passed before oil and gas could get enough people rallied to make a difference.. the conversation trails off as she gets up to leave while still gabbing on the phone

Fucking bitch

It will go through. It was introduced Friday at 4:30pm. The hearing was today. That doesnt happen in a normal time. See my my comments above what we were told at the capital yesterday. It will be pushed through.

Right now the only question is how much damage can the minority party mitigate.

[vossman]

Gotta love the people that represent us.

It will go through. It was introduced Friday at 4:30pm. The hearing was today. That doesnt happen in a normal time. See my my comments above what we were told at the capital yesterday. It will be pushed through.

Right now the only question is how much damage can the minority party mitigate.

[Grant H.]

It passed it's first committee vote... On precisely party lines.

On to it's next vote, which I believe is one more committee.

It's sad to see CO get fawked over like this.

[Great-Kazoo]

Did this bill just get canned? I am sitting at the bar at the Rio in Boulder enjoying a margarita and the lady next to me is looking at her phone and gets all huffy and is gesturing and saying things out loud about a bill being shut down in committee and how horrible it is as if she wants me to respond, I don't.

She eventually calls someone and leaves a voicemail asking what's going on.. she then gets on the phone with someone and she starts talking to the person on the other end saying that she thought the idea was to get the bill out there fast and get it passed before oil and gas could get enough people rallied to make a difference.. the conversation trails off as she gets up to leave while still gabbing on the phone

Fucking bitch

So you lost the opportunity for a quickie barroom rub n tug.

[Irving]

I think this will accelerate the housing market crash in Colorado.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think this will accelerate the housing market crash in Colorado.

Not really. It will lure "green" minded people here, even more. However this will have to be settled in court.