BOLO for "Woman infatuated with Columbine"

[UrbanWolf]

Observation 1) There has never been any threat by the girl or there would be PC to arrest. Threatening that kind of action, is an offense that gives PC to arrest. As is even threatening to harm one person.
Observation 2) It's kind of unusual to call the parents and have an "FBI Investigator" answer the parents phone, respond to the media, and claim to be questioning the parents.

To the extent this is real, it's boiled down to:
1. 18 yo girl might have expressed interest in Columbine (but has apparently never threatened to do a repeat, which would be PC)
2. 18yo girl might have traveled to Colorado and might have bought a shotgun.

Meanwhile, all of the front range panics like an ICBM is incoming, shutters all the schools, etc.

I wonder to what extent this is actually an NSA case -- you know, how they give "tips" to local law enforcement based on all the surveillance of US Citizens that they don't do, giving LE a heads up to invent PC to arrest someone the NSA feels is dangerous, but yet, can't be based upon what the NSA actually intercepted because that would be, illegal to spy on it's own citizens without PC.

So looks like the gov’t really do have a way to track if someone bought a gun?

[FoxtArt]

So looks like the gov’t really do have a way to track if someone bought a gun?

To determine *what* someone bought would require talking to the people who sold it (Gunstore or private party who didn't do a FFL like they should). But, in theory (if we ignore legal standards for a moment), CBI could be able to say "xxx attempted to buy a gun two days ago at "store", and it was a long gun, and the background check was rejected/successful". Now, whether or not they should is another argument entirely, that's the extent of the data the gov't immediately has access to (e.g., CBI would not be able to say "it's a pump shotgun", because they don't have a clue.) Now, the only way electronic intercepts would put it together is if she bought it online in advance of coming to CO, or the most likely of all is if they looked at her card statements, saw a gun store, and went in and talked to them or something.

ETA: What I'm most suspicious of is she may have made credible threats online, in a way the gov't shouldn't have been able to associate with her real identity, so the gov't isn't in a position to explain that she made these threats, because it would beg the question how they know it was her.
ETA 2: And of course, the other possibility is that it is just the parents saying "Our daughter is interested in Columbine and went to CO" but then, the response would be incredibly and unjustifiably overblown.

[UrbanWolf]

To determine *what* someone bought would require talking to the people who sold it (Gunstore or private party who didn't do a FFL like they should). But, in theory (if we ignore legal standards for a moment), CBI could be able to say "xxx attempted to buy a gun two days ago at "store", and it was a long gun, and the background check was rejected/successful". Now, whether or not they should is another argument entirely, that's the extent of the data the gov't immediately has access to (e.g., CBI would not be able to say "it's a pump shotgun", because they don't have a clue.) Now, the only way electronic intercepts would put it together is if she bought it online in advance of coming to CO, or the most likely of all is if they looked at her card statements, saw a gun store, and went in and talked to them or something.

ETA: What I'm most suspicious of is she may have made credible threats online, in a way the gov't shouldn't have been able to associate with her real identity, so the gov't isn't in a position to explain that she made these threats, because it would beg the question how they know it was her.

By Florida law:

"A person younger than 21 years of age may not purchase a firearm. The sale or transfer of a firearm to a person younger than 21 years of age may not be made or facilitated by a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer."

So how did she successfully purchase a gun? Or all they got is that she attempted to purchase? Or did a gun store done f**ked up?

[newracer]

By Florida law:

"A person younger than 21 years of age may not purchase a firearm. The sale or transfer of a firearm to a person younger than 21 years of age may not be made or facilitated by a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer."

So how did she successfully purchase a gun? Or all they got is that she attempted to purchase? Or did a gun store done f**ked up?

She purchased the shotgun in CO.

[UrbanWolf]

She purchased the shotgun in CO.

Yes, but as FL resident I assume, so the gun store has to make sure they are following FL gun law as well.

[newracer]

Yes, but as FL resident I assume, so the gun store has to make sure they are following FL gun law as well.

Negative.

[FoxtArt]

Yes, but as FL resident I assume, so the gun store has to make sure they are following FL gun law as well.

Does Florida prohibit the possession of a long gun by someone under 21? Doubtful. CO doesn't have to comply with FL's purchase requirements.

[newracer]

Yes, but as FL resident I assume, so the gun store has to make sure they are following FL gun law as well.

I stand corrected, they do have to follow the laws of the state the person resides in.

[newracer]

Comprehensive article on what is known about her

https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/sol-p...YS4fCGmboXPBV8

[crays]

By Florida law:

"A person younger than 21 years of age may not purchase a firearm. The sale or transfer of a firearm to a person younger than 21 years of age may not be made or facilitated by a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer."

So how did she successfully purchase a gun? Or all they got is that she attempted to purchase? Or did a gun store done f**ked up?

Quick question for FFL's: In Colorado is the onus of determining if someone is from a prohibited state (in this case based on age), regarding purchase of a long gun, on the FFL or the CBI? Honest question. I bought a rifle in NM quite a few years back, and it seemed like the store (Walmart IIRC) had a color coded map for the clerk to check before filling out the 4473. Don't know if that procedure varies by state, or if my recollection is even correct.

Thanks in advance.

ETA: I was a CO resident at the time.