Here we go again: Active shooter in CA

[ray1970]

I'm talking about denying life saving care to obvious criminals.

And how do you define an obvious criminal?

I?m no legal expert but I thought everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[Great-Kazoo]

A quick search found this document from California in 2006
https://sco.ca.gov/Files-AUD/specrep...thcare_rpt.pdf

Lots of money being spent
The costs are likely dramatically higher now
All states will have similar prison healthcare issues.


A few excerpts

At least two of the four prison acute-care hospitals are functioning at a fraction of their capacity,
resulting in increased costs of contracted services and the need for outside hospital services
--
For example, in a prior audit, the Bureau of State Audits (BSA) found that
CDCR was paying a hospital 4.16 times what Medicare would pay for the same inpatient care.
However, under the old contract, the department on average paid the hospital $2,789
per day. Under the new contract, the CDCR is paying an average of $3,994 per day, or 43.2% more
--
For example, the CDCR paid a hospital $12,379.50 (billed charges totaling $40,255 @ 30%)
for drugs provided to an inmate with cancer. The SCO’s analysis of the Medi-Cal Program
formulary files found that Medi-Cal would pay only $300 to $400 for the same drugs.
--
The CDCR currently has about 150 inmates who need dialysis treatment.
Most of these inmates are transported outside the institutions three times a week for dialysis treatment.
Each treatment costs, on average, more than $400 plus the costs for inmate transportation and
custody while outside of the prisons.

150 * 400 * 3 * 52 = ~$9M + other fuzzy costs

Appreciate you linking that.. There's 4 prisons in CA i know of where this (serious medical care) for those with death row, or life sentences take place.

You'd be surprised how much is spent keeping (Beyond reasonable doubt) violent felons alive. On top of the annual cost of incarceration. Not only in CA

[vossman]

And how do you define an obvious criminal?

I?m no legal expert but I thought everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

I think we all know what he means.

[Gman]

So much for that mythical ?stopping power? of the 45 I guess.

Perp is now dead. All that medical science had to offer still couldn't save him.

From what I read this morning, he came from a broken home and his father died in 2017 while the kid was trying to reconnect with his father. People break, since...as long as there have been people.

[GilpinGuy]

Perp is now dead. All that medical science had to offer still couldn't save him.

From what I read this morning, he came from a broken home and his father died in 2017 while the kid was trying to reconnect with his father. People break, since...as long as there have been people.

Wouldn't surprise me if we hear that he was bullied and on some meds as well.

[BushMasterBoy]

I wonder if he was infected with toxoplasma gondii. This is the protozoan that makes mice not afraid of cats. The press reported that his organs were being harvested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

[Gman]

Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a 'ghost gun,' sheriff says

The gun used in last week's shooting at Saugus High School was assembled from parts, a so-called ghost gun without a registration number, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva confirmed Thursday.

Sheriff's homicide detectives are trying to determine who built the .45-caliber handgun, a 1911-model pistol. The weapon included a partially built receiver, meaning it did not contain a serial number.

Police and witnesses say 16-year-old Nathan Berhow came to school the morning of Nov. 14, removed the handgun from his backpack and opened fire in the Santa Clarita high school quad. Five students were shot, two of whom later died, before Berhow turned the weapon on himself. He died from his injury a day later.

Investigators say it's unclear who assembled the kit gun, but they are examining Berhow's electronic communications in an effort to find answers, officials said. The teen's late father owned an arsenal of weapons, and when law enforcement searched the boy's home last week, a cache of guns — many of which were unregistered — was seized.

Last week, The Times and NBC reported the weapon could have been a ghost gun based on initial examination of the weapon. Sheriff's officials working with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives determined that was the case.

Authorities are seeing a proliferation of such untraceable weapons. LAPD officials say they have seen a growing number of the weapons in the last six years. In August, a semiautomatic rifle used in a gun battle between police and a convicted felon off the 215 Freeway killed California Highway Patrol Officer Andre Moye and wounded two of his colleagues. The weapons was a ghost gun that could not be traced by authorities, according to law enforcement sources.

In 2013, a gunman police identified as John Zawahri killed five people in the Santa Monica area using an AR-15-style rifle, which he built from a partially manufactured lower receiver that did not have a serial number and therefore did not have to be registered. Police said the parts needed to assemble a working rifle, including magazines of ammunition, were shipped to Zawahri from out of state.

"About a third of all firearms seized in Southern California now are unserialized, and that is expected to grow," Ginger Colbrun, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles region's ATF office, told The Times in August.

Those with lengthy criminal histories usually buy their weapons on the black market, according to law enforcement officials. In one raid last year, authorities recovered 45 ghost guns following a six-month undercover operation in Hollywood. In that case, some of the weapons, which police said were made by a gang, were assault weapons.

Such weapons often come in kits and can be acquired at gun shows or by mail. As one expert described it, the guns are as easy to assemble as Ikea furniture. A pistol consists of a frame, which includes the trigger housing that may need some tabs shaved off and several holes drilled before it can accept the barrel and action and then fire. The frame is know as an 80% receiver because it comes mostly, but not completely, manufactured. It is a finished gun with no serial numbers and therefore avoids background checks and waiting periods.

[JohnnyDrama]

Narrative much?

[Martinjmpr]

Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a 'ghost gun,' sheriff says

Just like with the "Magazine repair kits" I have to ask: Is there anybody who DIDN'T see this coming?

[Zundfolge]

Santa Clarita shooting: Weapon used in Saugus High attack a 'ghost gun,' sheriff says]

I flatly do not believe it and won't believe it unless they publish photos of the actual gun proving that it is indeed a "ghost gun". The entire thing is way too convenient to their narrative and since this shooting was in gun controlled California they have to spin it to their agenda even though it works against them.