California Prop 8 Overturned By Openly Gay Judge

[jake]

Did no one consider that perhaps hip55 works at the YMCA?

[hip55]

Did no one consider that perhaps hip55 works at the YMCA?

Not even close.

But there are a lot of gay folks that work for my company, and it did have a large impact.

If you don't think being married has no financial effects, try filing separately at tax time & see what happens.

[Irving]

What does that have to do with other people though?

I just got engaged. Should we not get married so we don't cost you extra money?

[hip55]

What does that have to do with other people though?

I just got engaged. Should we not get married so we don't cost you extra money?

How it effects me personally is minuscule compared to the financial implications it will cost society.

Do some research on it Stuart, you seem like a smart guy.

For me, I'm done with this thread -

[BigMat]

ok, i will be the ahole.

first if they had the internet 20 years ago, i cant imagine a bunch of "men"
American, gun, outdoors, men, defending gays. now it is ok. they have pushed their adjenda to every part of American culture. I dont know if any of you are gay, but a lot of you are defending them. This is a new thing. I am not saying its right or wrong. But, this is a new thing. 20 years ago gays were in the shadows.

I think you miss the point of what most of us on the other side are saying.

I have no opinion on gay, good bad other, for this debate I don't care.

Here is why I feel people feel the way I do. 20, more like 40 years ago, people trusted the government a lot more than we do now. I grew up in post-Nixon/Vietnam America. I barely trust the government more than I trust, AT&T, Bank of America, or GE.

My go to stance politically is "leave me alone" and I try to look at my political views threw a filter of "does this leave us as alone as possible?"

Gay marriage fails the "does this leave us as alone as possible?" test badly. It's that simple, the government doesn't need to do this, so why are they doing this? And the classic slippery slope of if they can ban this cause a bunch of people feel it is wrong, what else can they ban, can they ban something that effects me? It wouldn't take much to imagine ARs being on the chopping block, the constitution didn't lay out what specific type of arms, and if you are telling me that Jo Blow Civilian can't protect his home with an 870 darn near as well as John Blow Civilian with an AR you are fooling yourself. (just for example, I bet we can rattle off a ton of things the government would love to take)

comparing gay to beastiality, pedifilia etc. fails badly too, there is one BIG old piece missing, the other consenting adult! If you allow straight heterosexual sex, are you gonna be ok with rape next? Of course not, that's foolish.

You are confused why we are defending gays, I'm confused why the other side trusts the .gov to get involved in their morals, which is according to many here controlled by a giant liberal agenda run by Obama.

[DeusExMachina]

I don't see why gays should have less freedoms than straights. Gay marriage doesn't affect me in any way. But then again, I believe in the seperation of church and state.

[Byte Stryke]

Does someone else riding without a helmet affect me? Yes...

does that have anything to do with this argument?.. not really

Imagine if you will your Non-white or non Christian wife being thrown from their home after you die because they aren't afforded protection under state sanctioned marriage laws.
circa 1700-1800s this was the case in allot of the colonies and territories.

Now personally, There is nothing about a guys hairy ass that does anything for me.
Hetero, Love my wife, Love the Vagoo.

BUT, whose to dictate my religious or personal beliefs? or the Practices of (whatever) between two consenting adults? that whole Polygamy thing is common practice in allot of non-christian countries. SO... do we make polygamy legal? If Gays get their right to Civil union I believe everyone should.

and I completely agree. if you don't think that Gays/Lesbians have fewer rights than straights you are deluding yourselves.
Hospital visitation
Insurances
Rental and Home ownership
Civil liabilities and rights (Wills, Grants, Taxes)


I Do not believe that any church should be forced to allow or perform Gay Marriages as that imposes on the freedom of religion.
HOWEVER I Also do not believe that the state has a right to tell me that I cannot marry someone based on age, sex, religion, race, creed or ethnic heritage.

Next thing you know we'd be condemning interracial marriages.

[Irving]

When the gay marriage thing first starting getting big a few years ago, a buddy was saying that he ran across a bunch of news papers from the 1950's in his grandparent's attic that had a ton of articles about interracial marriages that sounded exactly like all of today's arguments against gay marriages.

[Jumpstart]

When the gay marriage thing first starting getting big a few years ago, a buddy was saying that he ran across a bunch of news papers from the 1950's in his grandparent's attic that had a ton of articles about interracial marriages that sounded exactly like all of today's arguments against gay marriages.

lol. That's quite an urban legend. I find the comparsion like apples to bananas.

Marriage is for building families,
Families for building nations.

Homosexuality is for what now?

[Irving]

Talk about an urban legend. You speak like marriage was invented specifically as a tool to build nations.

This is America by the way. No one should have to justify a damn thing that they want. You want a machine gun? Get it. You want a 750 whp Corvette to drive to work everyday? Build it. You're attracted to men and want to marry one? Do it, and fuck anyone who questions your motives or reasons. You've got to be fucking kidding me.