More conflict in Albuquerque shooting involved

[Gman]

That's a pretty big derail of course, but the point being, don't place ourselves in situations that can easily escalate out of control, because people can die for the stupidest garbage, or land in the can for decades over a technicality.

That's the intellectual argument, but then logic tells me that those in disagreement sitting in silence and avoiding conflict will end up being ruled by the noisy mob.

[FoxtArt]

That's the intellectual argument, but then logic tells me that those in disagreement sitting in silence and avoiding conflict will end up being ruled by the noisy mob.

Valid argument, but not applicable to blue shirt (who threw a protester to the ground). As far as attending though, agreement.

My CRS citation is a bit off too, only (3)(a) is applicable to blue shirt,

(a) With intent to cause bodily injury or death to another person, he provokes the use of unlawful physical force by that other person;  or

(b) is applicable to the protesters. Basically in CO and in most places, if you're the initial aggressor you lose application to any self-defense claim, and if you clearly withdraw and then they attack you, they lose their application to lawful defense as well. Even though technically you could argue "that only applies to the other person" - the woman, a court isn't likely to agree with that argument for optics, nor do they have to.

[Gman]

I was referring to the idea conceptually. I wasn't speaking to the individual in this case because IANAL and don't care to commit the time to find the New Mexico statutes.

[O2HeN2]

In '93 Eugene Baylis here in Colorado Springs went into the Star Bar and opened fire. He fled, followed by a ton of bikers. In the resultant shootout, he killed two and wounded two. His defense attorney successfully argued that it was self defense since he had broken off the initial attack and the bikers followed him.

A combination of ineptitude of the DA and the bikers not doing themselves any favors in court (read: lying under oath and getting caught dong it) and he got COMPLETELY off.

Except for the federal weapons charges (Feds don't like it when you bring hand grenades to a gun fight).

O2

https://apnews.com/0d078d35503adc8c909692bccd151171

[Gman]

Another video angle of the encounter. A bit more graphic.

https://twitter.com/SALIDmag/status/1272962710989307909

[Great-Kazoo]

In '93 Eugene Baylis here in Colorado Springs went into the Star Bar and opened fire. He fled, followed by a ton of bikers. In the resultant shootout, he killed two and wounded two. His defense attorney successfully argued that it was self defense since he had broken off the initial attack and the bikers followed him.

A combination of ineptitude of the DA and the bikers not doing themselves any favors in court (read: lying under oath and getting caught dong it) and he got COMPLETELY off.

Except for the federal weapons charges (Feds don't like it when you bring hand grenades to a gun fight).

O2

https://apnews.com/0d078d35503adc8c909692bccd151171

I knew one of the guys killed, we had talked about another mc a few days before. . IIRC Baylis opened fire with an AK.

[Bailey Guns]

Another video angle of the encounter. A bit more graphic.

https://twitter.com/SALIDmag/status/1272962710989307909

I know there were issues prior to the shooting. But just looking at that video I'd say it's gonna be pretty easy for his attorney to argue he was in serious danger.

[Aloha_Shooter]

So let me get this straight. Guy has crowd advancing on him menacingly and voicing threats. He uses pepper spray several times and they still advance. At this point, he pulls his firearm and uses it.

It seems fairly clear cut that he can claim he was in fear of his life or bodily harm at this point but the political and media types immediately jump to hate crimes. Sounds like there was a lot of hate alright -- coming from the crowd.

Can't wait for more details because the story related in the news article sure doesn't support the statements from the political types IMO.

[Madusa]

The New Mexico Governor and Albuquerque Mayor are trying to pin it on the militia.

[FoxtArt]

In '93 Eugene Baylis here in Colorado Springs went into the Star Bar and opened fire. He fled, followed by a ton of bikers. In the resultant shootout, he killed two and wounded two. His defense attorney successfully argued that it was self defense since he had broken off the initial attack and the bikers followed him.

A combination of ineptitude of the DA and the bikers not doing themselves any favors in court (read: lying under oath and getting caught dong it) and he got COMPLETELY off.

Except for the federal weapons charges (Feds don't like it when you bring hand grenades to a gun fight).

O2

https://apnews.com/0d078d35503adc8c909692bccd151171

IIRC he ultimately died in a shootout in the Mesa County desert like a couple years ago. Started shooting at deputies out of the blue as they walked towards what they thought was an abandoned van.

ETA: Here's the link: https://www.kktv.com/content/news/Ma...483989461.html