Atlanta Shooting

[Bailey Guns]

You must have a reason to dismiss a saying that's been around for longer than you and I combined have been around as garbage (the bad apples thing).

The saying means that one bad part of a group can easily taint the entire group. That's exactly what's going on in law enforcement agencies around the country. Unless you believe like so many that cops are just generally bad people for whatever reason. Is it cliche? Maybe. It's only meant to express a sentiment, not to be the final word on the matter.

No one would like to see the "bad apples" removed more than me. It does no one any good for them to remain. But even when one is discovered, identified and removed and even punished in many cases that's just not enough for some. Exactly like what's going on with Chauvin in Minneapolis. He did wrong. He was almost immediately arrested, jailed and charged. And yet still people bitch about the system. What's going on with the officer in Atlanta and how he's being treated by the DA there is a HUGE injustice. It's almost as if that DA has never heard of "presumption of innocence".

Here's what I believe. There are some cops that are "bad". They are very, very few in number in relation to the number of officers in the country. I believe the overwhelming majority of police officers in this country are honorable. I don't generally think cops need "more training". To me that's as big a cliche as "a few bad apples". They need to follow the training they've received in most cases. And FFS...I'm not saying that training is a bad thing...just wanna make that clear because I know some asshat is gonna jump on that like I'm advocating for pulling some schmuck off the street and giving him a badge and gun and telling him to go forth and violate the rights of the masses. I'm just saying that, generally speaking, cops get a lot of training initially and on an on-going basis. I think the problem is more that they don't follow the training they've received in some instances and that gets them in trouble.

[Great-Kazoo]

You must have a reason to dismiss a saying that's been around for longer than you and I combined have been around as garbage (the bad apples thing).

The saying means that one bad part of a group can easily taint the entire group. That's exactly what's going on in law enforcement agencies around the country. Unless you believe like so many that cops are just generally bad people for whatever reason. Is it cliche? Maybe. It's only meant to express a sentiment, not to be the final word on the matter.

No one would like to see the "bad apples" removed more than me. It does no one any good for them to remain. But even when one is discovered, identified and removed and even punished in many cases that's just not enough for some. Exactly like what's going on with Chauvin in Minneapolis. He did wrong. He was almost immediately arrested, jailed and charged. And yet still people bitch about the system. What's going on with the officer in Atlanta and how he's being treated by the DA there is a HUGE injustice. It's almost as if that DA has never heard of "presumption of innocence".

Here's what I believe. There are some cops that are "bad". They are very, very few in number in relation to the number of officers in the country. I believe the overwhelming majority of police officers in this country are honorable. I don't generally think cops need "more training". To me that's as big a cliche as "a few bad apples". They need to follow the training they've received in most cases. And FFS...I'm not saying that training is a bad thing...just wanna make that clear because I know some asshat is gonna jump on that like I'm advocating for pulling some schmuck off the street and giving him a badge and gun and telling him to go forth and violate the rights of the masses. I'm just saying that, generally speaking, cops get a lot of training initially and on an on-going basis. I think the problem is more that they don't follow the training they've received in some instances and that gets them in trouble.

Why not. NYPD did that after some democrat mayor pushed for a more inclusive police force. So...............they dropped the denial for felons with non-violent crimes to be accepted . Which they later rescinded.

That all inclusive has bitten more than one political ass.

[Bailey Guns]

Why not. NYPD did that after some democrat mayor pushed for a more inclusive police force. So...............they dropped the denial for felons with non-violent crimes to be accepted . Which they later rescinded.

That all inclusive has bitten more than one political ass.

Some people have an uncanny ability to read what has not been written. Everyone does it occasionally...I'm talking about people that make it a lifestyle. That's why I felt the need to clarify. Even so, I know I'll be back here trying to point out to someone that's intellectually challenged that I didn't say that. You know it's gonna happen.

I'll try that "preemptive de-escalation" technique that worked so well in Seattle.


I didn't say that.

[GilpinGuy]

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Here's what I believe. There are some cops that are "bad". They are very, very few in number in relation to the number of officers in the country. I believe the overwhelming majority of police officers in this country are honorable.

No offense BG but I was told many years ago (by a LEO BTW) that you can assume that 10% of the people you encounter are scumbags. Surgeons, teachers, cab drivers, cops, poker managers, etc. Their profession doesn't matter - they're people. I have found this to be pretty accurate for the 20 years since I heard it for the first time.

I don't think only the most honorable among us are cops.

[Bailey Guns]

No offense BG but I was told many years ago (by a LEO BTW) that you can assume that 10% of the people you encounter are scumbags. Surgeons, teachers, cab drivers, cops, poker managers, etc. Their profession doesn't matter - they're people. I have found this to be pretty accurate for the 20 years since I heard it for the first time.

OK. Let's assume 10% is true (I think that's probably a little high, but whatever). A 90/10 ratio is still a pretty overwhelming number. If you had those odds of winning when you played the lottery would you play more often than you do? I would.

I don't think only the most honorable among us are cops.

I'm going to try to respond without getting totally frustrated by this statement. Let me refer you to what I said in post #105 of this thread:

I didn't say that.

Here's what I actually said.

Here's what I believe. There are some cops that are "bad". They are very, very few in number in relation to the number of officers in the country. I believe the overwhelming majority of police officers in this country are honorable.