The system

[Bailey Guns]

I'd like to have that guy as a neighbor.

Most likely because he sounds and explains things just like I would. That guy could be me. I'll apologize now for my white privilege that makes me unable to comprehend "the struggle".

[FoxtArt]

Systematic racism? No. Systematic implies that there's a uniform blanket and that's akin to saying "all cops are bad" or "all blacks are criminals". Some courtrooms operate, to an extent, fine.

But you are all fooling yourself, if you think lady justice is EVER blind. When you walk into a courtroom, everything about you is going to influence the outcome of the case often times, more than your actual case ever can. Some of those factors you can control (how you dress, hygiene, hair color, etc.) others you cannot.

You'd be hard pressed to find a case where the judge didn't consciously or unconsciously influence the case in the direction they desire it to go. Usually that is not for reasons as broad as racism, but it often can be, and people forget in that context, it's usually not negative racism, e.g. it's not "I hate blacks", it's more of a context of "oh that kid seems nice!" (He reminds me of that boy at church that works so hard). The issue is, each and every person, no matter who they are, have significant learned biases. It's not something you "can't" have as we are genetically wired to survive that way. Things that hurt us, we dislike and avoid similar things... or people. If a party shows up that reminds the judge of say, their ex-wife, a brutal teacher, an asshole in high school, or a coworker that's always screwing off, that person is most likely fucked if their case is barely at the threshold of burdens. Or maybe they just hate the millennial generation because their grandson doesn't have a job and smokes weed. Or it's often inverted - maybe they are a white knight and think older women need protecting and generally can do no wrong. Or maybe the oldest generation faced so many hardships that they shouldn't have to hassle with a suit or a criminal case. Or maybe that woman is smoking hot and "seems nice".

No, it doesn't guarantee their loss, but if they aren't walking in with a bullet proof case these individual biases will always break the camels back. Sometimes that's in your favor, that doesn't make it right. And there are some judges too that do have a significant bias against blacks even if they're not aware of it. Same circumstances, same case, same priors, same judge, the white kid will get 6 months of probation because "he's got a strong future and I don't want to dampen his chances of becoming a productive member of society", while the black kid gets a 6 year sentence. That, however, is not systematic and I don't think the majority of judges operate that way. One factor that does dampen the black outcome in court is the simple factor that most judges do not have very many positive encounters with their peers to create many positive influences to that subtle case-by-case bias (e.g. it's unlikely that the individual will specifically remind them of anyone they like or respect, while it is more probable that a person of their same race will subtly remind them of someone they like, respect, or appreciate).

And that is one of the biggest issues with our judicial system. No matter how "humble" and "unbiased" a judge may think themselves, it is physically impossible to not be. Humans are hardcore wired to be judgmental sonsofbitches. I know if I was a judge, I'd practically have to recuse myself from any case involving an older blond woman, because my own experiences would make me want to bring the ban hammer down on a lot of them. At least I'm somewhat aware of my bias... I would tend to wish we had a panel of "professional" jurors sitting for every case instead of lone judges for any of them, as you're more likely to balance out those subtle biases that emerge on an individual basis. Broad biases, e.g. "BLACK LIVES" though are 99/100 times not the issue.

[Delfuego]

Anyway, there is systematic racism and institutional racism implemented, against whites in education, government etc. Affirmative action and all it's manifestations, diversity, multiculturalism etc.

Poor whitey can't catch a break...

[newracer]

This was posted on another forum I frequent.

I have heard a constant complaint during the riots that the police are racially biased and that this is a long time, systemic problem.
The first thing that I don't understand is if it's systemic then what is the system? Aren't most, if not all, of the big city governments ran by Democrats? Aren't most considered liberal? Aren't they the ones hiring police chiefs and officers and setting police policy? Is that the "system" that's the problem? The Democrats have been running things in most cities for years yet who is the MSM/liberal establishment blaming for the "police problem"? Some guy who's only been in office for three years and never hired one policeperson.
The second thing is that many of these cities have black mayors or police chiefs or both. Why haven't these officials spoken up earlier? Weren't a lot of these people petitioning the federal government for more funds to hire more police just a few years ago?
Isn't the "police problem" really a symptom rather than the problem?

[Jumpstart]

Poor whitey can't catch a break...

If equality in government programs and hiring practices is not "catching a break" you are correct.

[Bailey Guns]

Poor whitey can't catch a break...

So predictable...

[Delfuego]

So predictable...

You guys wanna act like victims, be my guest. Sorry I broke up your little echo chamber. Please continue telling us how tough you got it.

[Bailey Guns]

Discussing the realities of "the system", regardless of which side they benefit, hardly can be called playing "the victim". And any discussion of this has hardly been in an echo chamber, at least on this forum. There's been a myriad of opinions presented. But you're always the predictable one to come on board and say something nonsensical without any concern about really contributing to the conversation. You didn't disappoint. The only echo chamber is the one between your ears.

[clodhopper]

You guys wanna act like victims, be my guest. Sorry I broke up your little echo chamber. Please continue telling us how tough you got it.

I'm no victim. I really don't see that much of an issue with AAction. I understand how the rules are laid out, I can assess the situation and still get where I want to get to. What disappoints me is the people who have a leg up in most situations in life (AAction and other govt bennies) and still whine cause everyone else is racist and the man is holding them down. I choose not to give much relevance to the idea that because someone comes from a poor family, they are destined to be poor and it is everyone else's fault cause stuff happened over 100 years ago. There are lots and lots of successful people who came from nothing and did it by working hard and paying attention.

Yes, I absolutely agree that there are a smaller group of people (all colors) that really need the social program help. I honestly hope they are properly served. BUT, we have way too many whiners in our country and WAY too many politicians buying votes from them with handouts.

[FoxtArt]

There most certainly is an echo chamber here as there is most any place. That results from people being increasingly hostile from exposure to differing ideas, so they self segregate. Your reply, to be fair BG, is somewhat the antithesis of the point you're trying to make. While certainly there's sarcasm at play, he had a point in calling out a well received opinion that whites are the subjects of systematic racism, maybe he could have been less sarcastic, but then it all went downhill from there, and you're assisting in lowering the bar, so to speak.

Perspectives are differing, but clearly there is a favored "opinion" of this thread as has been pointed out by several. This is obviously not an intellectual discussion where differing perspectives are truly considered from their POV.