Polis to mandate masks across the state

[hollohas]

Somewhat true, and our rates of infection has been lower than many other areas after a mild "reopening".

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So our rates of infection are lower than other areas and that justifies increased statewide restrictions how?

Increase positives even with mask compliance (due to increased testing) + lower rates of infection than other areas = stricter restrictions??

That's not science. That's knee jerk, feel-good BS by a POS power hungry governor.

[Gman]

Of all the problems in this country, being required to wear a facial covering in public in an attempt to reduced the spread of sickness during a pandemic is the least of my concerns.

I am not sure why everybody is so indignant about it, both right and left. Pick another hill to die on.

Is it perfect?- No.

Is it annoying and frustrating?- Yes.

Does it help reduce rates of transmission?- Yes. Prove it.

Does your not wearing of a facial covering marginally increase my chances of getting sick?- Yes. Prove it.

Does your not wearing of a facial covering marginally increase my chances of vectoring sickness to my elderly parents?- Yes. That's between you and your parents.

I swear some people believe if they wear a bandanna over their face today to go shopping at Walmart, that the .gov will be at their house tomorrow to collect their guns...

What has been proven time and again is that even the "experts" don't know shit about this.

Rate of transmission has been going up, but the deaths have been consistently falling, and the MSM doesn't talk about that statistic. Coincidence?

When I see the way people handle their masks leaving a store, like stuffing it in a pocket or purse, just goes to show that this is medical theater. There's no strict guidance on what constitutes a "mask", they're not worn properly most of the time, and people keep touching them and adjusting them regularly. Just admit it, the mask is part of a costume.

[thedave1164]

poleus can shove his mandates up his @$$, oh wait, he already does.

[hollohas]

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Rate of transmission has been going up, but the deaths have been consistently falling, and the MSM doesn't talk about that statistic. Coincidence?

Exactly.

JeffCo instituted its own mandate this week prior to the statewide. Meanwhile, Jeffco has seen 10 alleged covid deaths in the last month. Only 13 people in the hospital with it currently. And average test positive rates in the 3.5% range (96.5% of people getting tested are negative). A huge decrease over what we saw in March and April, damn good statistics really. These are not pandemic level numbers.

But, people are scared...so masks for everyone. Heaven forbid someone stand up in front of the citizens and say, "we're beating this guys. The numbers are very encouraging. Deaths are WAY down and that's what we want. We don't have to worry so much anymore, things are changing and the danger just isn't what it was in the spring"...no, that'd be crazy talk.

[Irving]

If we're beating this, which it appears we are, wouldn't loosening up be like punting on 2nd down?

[bellavite1]

JFC, just wear the damn mask already!
You don't want to be told what to do by a liberal faggot?
Well, neither do I, but that is the price you pay for living in a society.
And yes, unfortunately the majority voted these clowns in power.
So, you can either go by the rules of your chosen society or move to the Appalachian mountains and live as a hermit.
Everybody is a rebel...

[.455_Hunter]

What has been proven time and again is that even the "experts" don't know shit about this.

Rate of transmission has been going up, but the deaths have been consistently falling, and the MSM doesn't talk about that statistic. Coincidence?

When I see the way people handle their masks leaving a store, like stuffing it in a pocket or purse, just goes to show that this is medical theater. There's no strict guidance on what constitutes a "mask", they're not worn properly most of the time, and people keep touching them and adjusting them regularly. Just admit it, the mask is part of a costume.

I agree that people fondling their facial coverings isn't helping, but I am not sure what to tell you if you don't understand how disrupting the direct airflow out of your respiratory system decreases your ability infect others if you are a carrier.

[CS1983]

A buddy I served in the Army with is now finishing a masters in microbiology. He sent me this, from a former professor of his who has a PhD in virology.

Based on how I read this, pretty much everything we see with these masks is either complete BS or pissing in the wind.

Here is text from a former professor who has a PhD in virology, specifically focused on Influenza:

tl;dr version: I'm neither pro- nor anti-mask. I have been wearing one when in public, and will continue to do so. I think it's a much more complex issue than most people realize, and people want to buy into whichever information they find that supports their particular opinion on it. Masks alone are not the cure-all to this thing that a lot of people would like to believe.

Longer version:
People don't understand a.) how much we still don't know on this thing's transmissibility and b.) aerosolized droplet sizes vs. pore sizes of a variety of mask-making materials.

Do masks likely catch a portion of the aerosolized respiratory droplets that could contain this virus? Yes. But they certainly don't catch them all, and it'd be HIGHLY dependent on the mask material used and the behavior of the person using it. This is true of all barrier PPE, and the behavior part is why condoms sometimes "don't work." It all comes down to how effectively people use them.

And therein lies the problem. It's the same problem we had back in the influenza pandemic of 1918. Masks likely do SOME good - but only if people widely embrace them, use the correct ones, and use them correctly/change them frequently. Think about your experiences in the last few weeks - do you think people are doing those things?

There was a ton of back and forth on masks back in 1918, too. When enough people are steadfastly refusing to use them, and if people aren't using them properly, it muddies the waters of results obtained by their use.

It's also not correct to assume that masks are the only variable here - how strongly people socially distance, and what other behaviors and activities they engage in are all at play.

Be honest with yourself, no matter if you're firmly in the "everyone should wear one, 24/7" or the "masks are an impingement on my personal freedoms!" camp - when you point out a study...did you actually read the study itself, or did you read a news article that summarized it? Did you consider the experimental setup, the stats run, the controls? If you didn't, I encourage you to do so before you try to repost/share it. You're likely just pinging secondary information written in a way that supports a particular stance around in your own personal belief bubble.

Masks alone are NOT a cure-all for this situation. We need to continue to practice very strong social distancing and limited contact with other people. We need strong(er) testing. We need better science-backed guidance and policies, especially from the federal level. And then, yes, on top of all of THAT, we would most likely benefit from a wider overall acceptance and proper use of masks by the general public.

But if mask mandates push more people into the fringes of improper/no use (coupled with their regular activities), then the whole idea backfires. We're going to need to monitor and adjust guidance and education as time goes on with this thing.

Here ends my rant.

[hollohas]

We just need to flatten the curve they said...

[hollohas]

It's not just masks folks. All of the local variances that had been approved were cancelled today too. Many more restrictions were instituted today by means of nullifying the local variances that the state had previously approved

[For the record, I wear one when entering a place of business that requires one and I wear one in areas at my work that requires them]

I'm not anti-mask. I'm anti fear based bullshit.