Gonna be a mess - got an excuse to agitate

[Aloha_Shooter]

Then there's the other side ...



The whole furor over Netflix's airing of "Cuties" has me laughing. Just Some Guy on YouTube offers a pretty balanced review from someone who seems to have actually watched the whole film as opposed to outtakes and excerpts but what's incredible to me is how some of the Left have chosen that film as the hill to die for. You don't have to look at it as pedo bait to recognize it as absolute trash so everyone who is against it is a right-wing zealot? Okay ....

[FoxtArt]

Then there's the other side ...



The whole furor over Netflix's airing of "Cuties" has me laughing. Just Some Guy on YouTube offers a pretty balanced review from someone who seems to have actually watched the whole film as opposed to outtakes and excerpts but what's incredible to me is how some of the Left have chosen that film as the hill to die for. You don't have to look at it as pedo bait to recognize it as absolute trash so everyone who is against it is a right-wing zealot? Okay ....

That is exactly what I expected to be the truth of the matter tbh. There was little doubt that all the far-right furor about it is as accurate as the radical left's analysis of a trump speech - highly exaggerated, out of context, etc. I couldn't take any of it as face value because the source is manipulated equally as much. Not to say that I think it's a quality movie, or ever should have been made, there's little doubt it's utter trash, but also little doubt it was so-overblown on the right reaction that dead carp are floating to the top.

And it is amusing like you said, that the left cares to defend it, much as it is amusing to me that some people on the right are dying on the hill of "masks" and both sides have politicized something that isn't terribly political to begin with. The far-right deflection with their suddenly being a pedophile crisis is also hilarious. Every political issue is now "what about the pedophiles". Yeah, what about them? There's the same amount there was when GWB was in office for 8 years, what then? What about 8 years of Obama? Why is it only when we need to deflect that "but but pedophiles" is the right's version of "you're RACIST" to invalidate anything that makes them uncomfortable.

Everything has to be made into a f'n three ring circus. I wish we could bring straight shooters back.

I wonder what our next faux-crisis is going to be about.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The far-right deflection with their suddenly being a pedophile crisis is also hilarious. Every political issue is now "what about the pedophiles". Yeah, what about them? There's the same amount there was when GWB was in office for 8 years, what then? What about 8 years of Obama? Why is it only when we need to deflect that "but but pedophiles" is the right's version of "you're RACIST" to invalidate anything that makes them uncomfortable.

I'm going to disagree with you slightly on that point. The Left has been trying to mainstream pedo incrementally ever since the Clinton administration refused to reject NAMBLA. Just Some Guy's review said some of the outrage is overblown or mischaracterized a couple scenes but then he turned around and said a lot of the scenes WERE exploitative and unnecessary. Further, someone more than just the director had to have seen the scenes that WERE objectionable by any rational human being and okay them. Why?

To my mind, the producers, film editor, choreographer, cinematographer, etc. all had a chance to say "this is wholly inappropriate" and object -- but they didn't. It's like Hillary's illegal email server -- anyone in the Obama administration that received email from her HAD to see that she wasn't using the official State Department email server, that what she was doing was not only dangerous but illegal and yet no one objected, no one put a stop to it. If they knew, they were complicit.

You might say Netflix didn't know there was a scene of an 11-year-old flashing or others even worse but the picture they chose to grab for the movie poster was a 2 minute scene. Someone went through the film and chose that picture despite everything else in that scene. Hollywood IS filled with pedophiles and deviants. It's also filled with regressive Stalinists/Maoists. It's all part and parcel of the cultural and moral decay coming from the Left.

[FoxtArt]

I'm going to disagree with you slightly on that point. The Left has been trying to mainstream pedo incrementally ever since the Clinton administration refused to reject NAMBLA. Just Some Guy's review said some of the outrage is overblown or mischaracterized a couple scenes but then he turned around and said a lot of the scenes WERE exploitative and unnecessary. Further, someone more than just the director had to have seen the scenes that WERE objectionable by any rational human being and okay them. Why?

To my mind, the producers, film editor, choreographer, cinematographer, etc. all had a chance to say "this is wholly inappropriate" and object -- but they didn't. It's like Hillary's illegal email server -- anyone in the Obama administration that received email from her HAD to see that she wasn't using the official State Department email server, that what she was doing was not only dangerous but illegal and yet no one objected, no one put a stop to it. If they knew, they were complicit.

You might say Netflix didn't know there was a scene of an 11-year-old flashing or others even worse but the picture they chose to grab for the movie poster was a 2 minute scene. Someone went through the film and chose that picture despite everything else in that scene. Hollywood IS filled with pedophiles and deviants. It's also filled with regressive Stalinists/Maoists. It's all part and parcel of the cultural and moral decay coming from the Left.

No disagreement there.

I just wish there were more reliable sources, e.g. straight shooters, that you could go to and get "just the facts". But no, every damn source is so politicized that they have to exaggerate everything to extremes and take things out of context. Your post is probably a very accurate assessment. And there are certainly elements that want to normalize it, but I'd also say there has always been those elements (ETA right here, I'd also say it's important to never ignore those attempts and to respond to them). Statistically (nobody will believe this) there are fewer child sex abuse victims today than there were in the 50's. You were far more likely to get f*d in the A, as it's never been a "stranger danger" issue, it was a family/friend/neighbor issue. Those deviants have always been among us, but it used to be Mr. Creepy uncle could safely rely on victims A B and C being wholly ignored if they ever said anything. The level of education now is tremendously better on top of mandatory reporters... but it also leads to an illusion that s. abuse is more prevalent today than it was; that's only because only a tiny fraction of a fraction of a fraction was widely reported in generations past. And serial abusers really milked that.. *cough, insert catholic joke, cough*.

What is somewhat amusing is in prior generations, it was actually more normalized than it was now. Take the 60's and 70's for instance. If a 15 or 16yo went in and reported consensual sex with a drummer, they'd probably have been laughed at. There was some level of normalization with "slightly" underage shenanigans more so then than now. I can't remember the name of the famous director case back then (brain fart)... certainly don't want to be googling that. Now, you might actually make national news, and at minimum blow up with condemnation on twitter and trial by the public.

I'm not inventing the stats either, I've seen some detailed breakdown, but the per-capita prevalence of s abuse (reported or unreported) is actually significantly down from generations past. I'd also say pedos are far less normalized than they used to - historically while people would have condemned it conversationally, a surprising amount of people turned a blind eye to it and rationalized it when they saw evidence of it occurring.

(another ETA right here: We also can't forget it wasn't that many generations ago that it was wholly normalized to have teenage/adult relationships and marriage. That is often cited by those trying to normalize it; I am NOT. Progress has been made in many things in society, but we shouldn't edit history either).

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... I can't remember the name of the famous director case back then (brain fart)...

Roman Polanski maybe?

[FoxtArt]

Roman Polanski maybe?

Yeah that's it. Granted, he was arrested and fled the country, that was from the actions mostly of a single judge. Society largely seemed to not care too much about it even after multiple more accusations from multiple teenagers.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yeah that's it. Granted, he was arrested and fled the country, that was from the actions mostly of a single judge. Society largely seemed to not care too much about it even after multiple more accusations from multiple teenagers.

He's also been supported by hollywood as well as a few foreign awards groups, to date. I think there was some grumbling during the pound me too movement. But that was swept under the rug.

[Martinjmpr]

Yeah that's it. Granted, he was arrested and fled the country, that was from the actions mostly of a single judge. Society largely seemed to not care too much about it even after multiple more accusations from multiple teenagers.

He was arrested, charged and pled guilty to the charge with some sort of wink-wink "understanding" that he'd get a slap on the wrist.

When it came time for the actual sentencing, the judge sentenced him to a long prison term. It was after the sentencing that he fled the country.

So there's no question about Polanski's guilt - that was settled by his voluntary guilty plea.

[FoxtArt]

I'll also add, the extremes of both sides are imbeciles on many of these points, but all are heroes in their own minds. (not talking about anyone here, btw, everyone seems pretty objective here) The white progressives are "saving" black people from "racists" and everyone is racist. The far right is suddenly "saving children" from pedophiles and all the progressives are "pedophiles" or something. All by sharing on facebook and social media.

And all of them help exactly zero people.

[hollohas]

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I miss the days when EVERYONE could agree that pedos are the worst of the worst and they weren't welcome anywhere. If we can't ALL agree on that simple fact, we're f'kd.