Apparently we don't like foreigners... Lol...

[Aloha_Shooter]

Yep, I've received that message while attempting to peruse the board from other countries (New Zealand, Portugal, India, Indonesia, etc.). No biggie, was just seeing what was going on during a free moment. I'm rather pleased the board is taking these kinds of precautions, less pleased that it has to.

[theGinsue]

I'm rather pleased the board is taking these kinds of precautions, less pleased that it has to.

Amen to that!

[battlemidget]

It'll be interesting to see how much air travel there is over the Thanksgiving weekend. I bet that's the make/break point for some big decisions in that vertical.

[Irving]

Our flight to Vegas was full with the exception of one seat per row.

What's the point of the testing if you still have to quarantine? I think our country is on a lot of other countries lists for mandatory quarantine.

[BladesNBarrels]

What's the point of the testing if you still have to quarantine? I think our country is on a lot of other countries lists for mandatory quarantine.

Test may only show if positive now.
Testing to make sure you are not symptomatic right now.
You can be exposed and not show symptoms up to 2 weeks.
Even Wyoming was requiring quarantine if you were arriving from Colorado during the spring and early summer.
Don't know if they still are.

[Gman]

Our flight to Vegas was full with the exception of one seat per row.

What's the point of the testing if you still have to quarantine? I think our country is on a lot of other countries lists for mandatory quarantine.

Sounds like my flight on Alaska from SeaTac to Denver. Middle seats open, masks required unless eating or drinking. Distancing getting on or off the plane, in the train to the terminal, or at certain escalators was a joke.

Can't wait until we just get on with our lives. There will be another virus after COVID-19, just like there were ones that came before it. Are we just going to lose our shit and destroy economies every time something new comes along, even if the survival rate is extremely high?

Back to the thread topic, I'm glad the forum is geofencing. It may be an inconvenience for some of us, but there are technology solutions that can mitigate the problem. VPN back to a home system is one, and using a commercial VPN solution like NordVPN is another. If you're traveling often and forced into using open networks, you're probably taking precautions already, right?

[Holger Danske]

I used to Do the DEN-SFO-TPE or -PVG (Shanghai Pudong) 4 or more times a year. I can't imagine doing it with Covid restrictions and quarantine. That would suck. Good luck OP.

[Not_A_Llama]

Given that it's still basically china I wouldn't fuck around and find out. It's better than mainland but it's still not a free country.

Thread makes me miss my few weeks there before.

Taiwan is a long way from “basically China”. China has *zero* sway there. It’s among the freest countries you can find, particularly in East Asia. Been to both?

[MrPrena]

Taiwan is a long way from ?basically China?. China has *zero* sway there. It?s among the freest countries you can find, particularly in East Asia. Been to both?

Yup PRC (China) and ROC (Taiwan) to me is a different country and should be a different country.
I've learned world geography as a different country too.

[Grant H.]

I?m curious who exactly enforces your quarantine? In other words if you just up and decided you wanted to leave the hotel and go somewhere for the day what?s in place to stop you and what would be the consequences for your actions?

GPS Monitoring of phone. You have to provide contact info for the daily check in from the TWN .gov, and also the 2x daily temperature reports to the quarantine hotel.

Also, as Kazoo said, the hotel staff is pretty well versed in this. We don't have a room key to re-enter our rooms if we left, etc.

Upon entry, you have to have completed their paperwork which lists your Q-hotel, date of arrival, and date of Q-end. It is still "china" so getting questioned isn't out of the realm of reality.

So, if you are good leaving your room unlocked, your phone in your room, and risking getting noticed by the hotel staff, then you could in theory get out and about. I know you aren't suggesting that, but they have it pretty well handled.

Given that it's still basically china I wouldn't fuck around and find out. It's better than mainland but it's still not a free country.

Thread makes me miss my few weeks there before.

Yeah, this. The digital tracking, contact tracing, etc that is always occurring here is ridiculous. We can't even bring our usual corp laptops/phones into the country. We have to get clean loaners.

Don?t get me wrong. I wasn?t suggesting any sort of act of defiance. I was legitimately curious about how these quarantines for outsiders are actually enforced.

I changed my 2020 vacation plans due to the Covid stuff because of quarantine restrictions for travelers at the time of our trip. My wife was asking me theoretical questions about what if we stuck to our original plans and didn?t follow the fourteen day quarantine rules once we arrived.

Obviously countries like China probably play by their own rules but in more freedom friendly places I am curious who monitors your whereabouts and what the possible penalties are for violating a rule and not really breaking any laws.

I?m a curious creature I guess.

We have crews headed for Australia (maybe, depends on getting the invite from the AU .gov) and Germany. Germany looked like it was going to be a "self imposed" quarantine, but that is likely changing with the "spike" in cases in the EU.

Most places we have antenna's are pretty similar currently. Hard to get visa/access into to being with, negative PCR test within 3 days of departure, some form of quarantine with varying levels of control/monitoring, and fines if you get caught breaking quarantine/rules.

Yep, I've received that message while attempting to peruse the board from other countries (New Zealand, Portugal, India, Indonesia, etc.). No biggie, was just seeing what was going on during a free moment. I'm rather pleased the board is taking these kinds of precautions, less pleased that it has to.

Agreed. Just thought it was funny. I saw this in Israel, but I wasn't stuck in a hotel for 14-15 days with little to do...

It'll be interesting to see how much air travel there is over the Thanksgiving weekend. I bet that's the make/break point for some big decisions in that vertical.

My wife works at the United flight training center in Denver, and to say things are going to be vastly different for the near future, and likely longer future, is easy. The number of layoff's and cut flights is only part of it. The company I work for used to be notorious for shipping people around the country, in business class, at the drop of the hat for meetings, contracts, work etc. We have already seen that our team will continue to travel (hands on work with system critical infrastructure), but the business/sales side of the world is going to be vastly different.

Personal travel, like visiting family, will still happen, but it's going to be greatly reduced. Look at what happened to travel after 9-11... It took quite a while for people to be willing to travel after that, and there are more people worried now than there were then.