And it starts, NO shot, no entry

[Great-Kazoo]

Wow, so there must be some concern about impact to the heart - makes one wonder what's really in that vaccine. Is that standard practice (to avoid vaccine's prior to anything heart procedure related)? I know I had plenty of strange vaccinations when I was active duty, even one in the first Gulf War that was "experimental" and could give me VA benefits (I've not researched that yet).

Good Luck Sir!

Thanks. I'm week 2 out of quadruple bypass. I was "told" to avoid the vaccine for the foreseeable future.

Even more interesting. when i contacted the VA, to reschedule (1st & 2nd) time. I was told, no problem. Inquiring, i asked. Were we not suppose to have the 2nd shot within 30 days? Oh yeah, but don't worry. When you can, come in for it. ???

[Irving]

I have to imagine that when it comes to heart issues, the list of things to avoid is longer than the list of things that are okay.

[Great-Kazoo]

I have to imagine that when it comes to heart issues, the list of things to avoid is longer than the list of things that are okay.

Well it seems some (key word) some surgeons are suggestion their patient hold off on the vaccine, till after any surgery.

[Irving]

Right, but they also suggest that you hold off on eating before every surgery. It would be irresponsible to assume that eating in general is bad for you based on that scenario alone.

[TheNash]

Right, but they also suggest that you hold off on eating before every surgery. It would be irresponsible to assume that eating in general is bad for you based on that scenario alone.

Because of the chances of vomiting and choking on it due to the anesthesia

[Irving]

I know why, I'm just making the point that there are a lot of things they tell you to avoid before surgery, but that doesn't mean those things are bad in general. It's just not really a good argument for avoiding the vaccine in general.

[Great-Kazoo]

I know why, I'm just making the point that there are a lot of things they tell you to avoid before surgery, but that doesn't mean those things are bad in general. It's just not really a good argument for avoiding the vaccine in general.

Perhaps. The vaccine is a personal choice.
HOWEVER. the number of people in the medical field, who i have come in contact with, the last 2 months. Those who have opted out, for now, is over 70%.


This area of AZ ,reminds me of CO 25-30 yrs ago. Where people prefer to be left alone, with any form of .gov minding their own business. Even a few friends, who lean a tad left of center and swallowed the whole shelter in place, mask, etc. Have opted to not get the vaccine, which surprised me.

The same people pushing this agenda are the some ones who SCREAM over any slight, due to a persons skin color, or sexual preference.

Will it be beneficial, in the long run, hopefully. Till then, to mandate one must show a vaccine card to do certain things, is ridiculous

[Great-Kazoo]

As a follow up when it comes to mandates, Needing to have the vaccine prior to attending college .

I asked medical professionals 2 weeks ago, as well as today. Are you required to get the vaccine, to work? It was a solid NO, it's not required as well as unenforceable, and grounds for termination from work.

So i don't see how CO can do this without a few court challenges.

In reality the vaccine is

#1 a vaccine, not a cure


#2 it's not an APPROVED vaccine

#3 it's permitted under an EUA. Key work, AUTHORIZING, it's use.

The state cannot mandate a vaccine or treatment, as a requirement to attend school. For a vaccine that has not been Approved, by the FDA.


Will that change, over time, of course. Till then it interesting how some states are flexing their muscle, to mandate people do something

[XJ]

You don’t expect that approval will be politically accelerated?

[Great-Kazoo]

You don’t expect that approval will be politically accelerated?

Of course it will.
The VA reps i know, told me 4 -5 months ago. They were opening the shots up to all ages. I asked why, they said less than 50% of veterans, considered high risk, or over 65, declined the vaccine.

To date that number is still under 50%. Not to mention the people working there, who have opted out.


The small print on the vaccine literature says. One has 1 yr for recourse, if any issues arise, from the vaccine.


hell my toaster has a better warranty.