Islam Perversion My Butt!

[ChunkyMonkey]

I think there are two main groups of people here in the U.S.I believe one group believes in the constitional rights of people here in the U.S.I think that the other group believes that if you are not a "Christian",you do not stand up to the "ideals"and "principles",of the United States of America. My question to you is, even though you may not agree with itDo you believe the Muslims have the right to build a cultural center,with a prayer room,two blocks from "911 GROUND ZERO"?

First, I am not Christian. 2nd they have the right to build it on the ground zero for all I care, but as much as I do have the right to open gay bar, pork BBQ joint right next to it, or play the spangled banner outloud next to the mosque. But now it's back to the 'tolerance' part isnt it? It's within my right, but it's extremely unethical, intolerant, and a provocation for me to open something thats totally against Islam right next door.

Now, do you care to explain how the Israeli vs Palestinian, or being Christian or building mosque in the ground zero area have anything to do with my argument that ISLAM is dangerous to the free world? Middle East is not the largest Islamic region btw. Indonesia and China have the largest Islam followers in the world.

Stop changing the subject and put up a valid argument like many of these folks have done or give it a rest. :P

I have argued many times with Haj and imam locally here. So far they justify stoning, killing the kafirs (by not being against it), even as silly stuff as the women are lesser beings than men. Perhaps its my skin color, or where I come from -But I was approached to join the mosque congregation twice now in Aurora. Once it allowed me to discuss their belief openly in a group of 20 or so. It led me to believe that as moderate as they are, they will not condemn their fellow 'muslim extremists'. They support them financially and so on. The common answers when asked if they think 9/11 is a terrorist act - the first sentence out of their mouth typically starts with 'well it is US' fault....'

[bobbyfairbanks]

If you dont say no then you are saying yes. When it comes down to Muslims are crap subhumans. Look at how they treat each other.

[Elhuero]

I think you are so much B.S.

well excuse me while I reel from your finely crafted retort.

Don't worry I won't hold my breath for you to refute anything with facts. truth and logic are like the battlefield. ya'll haven't had much success in those areas for centuries.

just be glad I'm not sharing my views on the origin and doctrines of islam. you'd wind up looking like like this guy:



and as for your question "even though you may not agree with itDo you believe the Muslims have the right to build a cultural center,with a prayer room,two blocks from "911 GROUND ZERO"? "

my answer is hell no they don't. this isn't some poor, peaceful congregation that's being unfairly persecuted by christians, whites, or the government. these are terror apologists that are hiding behind what makes our country great and thumbing their nose at us, and those that perished in one of our worst tragedies. A tragedy that was done to honor the same god they want to honor now by building this thing.

we're supposed to play nice and be tolerant while at the same time comedy central has to censor themselves because they're getting death threats for having mohammed in a cartoon.

It seems to me this whole first amendment, freedom of expression, freedom of religion thing is a real one fucking way street with them.

so no, I don't think they have the right, and I don't give two dirty falafels for what they think they're entitled to.

They say freedom of religion is so important, well fine.

I'll support their lower manhattan mosque when they let christians and jews build churches and synagogues in mecca and medina.

have a great weekend.

[BlasterBob]

A friend of mine just started his own business............





He’s manufacturing landmines that look like prayer mats.



It’s doing real well.



He says Prophets are going through the roof.

[bobbyfairbanks]

A friend of mine just started his own business............





He’s manufacturing landmines that look like prayer mats.



It’s doing real well.



He says Prophets are going through the roof.

God damm that shit is funny

[theGinsue]

I do agree, one of the greatest thing about our Country is freedom of religion. I will make the observation that it is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. We all have the freedom to choose our own, we don't have the right to prevent others from the free expression of theirs. If a child wants to pray in school, that's their business. It isn't someone's business to tell that child they can't. Even though some seem to think it is.

Agreed. You can't hear it, but I'm applauding you right now.

My question to you is, even though you may not agree with itDo you believe the Muslims have the right to build a cultural center,with a prayer room,two blocks from "911 GROUND ZERO"?

I'm with Elhuero on this. Maybe, just maybe they actually had a right to build their mosque on this site at one time, but their continued insensitivity is provocotive and the presence of a mosque on this site would create greater conflicts and carries with it an increased risk of retribution which means danger to many innocents who just happen to be in the area. To allow this project to go forward, knowing the risk of violence on both sides is irresponsible of the governments of NYC, New York state, and the fed's. No, they do not have that right.


Elhuero - I have rather enjoyed reading your posts on this matter (and others). Your passion and education are refreshing. Thank you.



Look folks, MB888 is right, Islam is dangerous. You tell me that I'm stereotyping - fine. Logic and common sense tell me I'm right on the mark with this.

When I was in High School I was the smallest kid in my class AND the class junior to me (yeah, I finally grew and filled out). I got picked on all of the time because I was an easy target. My dad had (he has since changed his views) a 100% NO FIGHTING policy - this included defending yourself. Because of this, I received more than my share of bumps, bruises, and split lips. To avoid as many bad situations as I could I learned how to read the nature of individuals and groups very well.

We lived out in the country and one day a bully who lived a mile away decided I was now his enemy. Because of my size and inability to defend myself, I always went out of my way to keep from offending others; it didn't matter. This bully used to get off of the school bus, get on his dirt bike and take a short-cut to beat the bus to my home. I would get beat at the end of my own driveway, often while the bus just sat there and everyone watched. I recall during those beating thinking "I hope my dad doesn't come home now and see me 'fighting'".

One day my dad learned about what was happening and insisted that somehow I was provoking the issue. I insisted that I was not. My dad told me that we were going to go to this bully's house to talk with him and his parents. I begged and pleaded to not do that. See, I knew that this kids behavior was a direct result of the attitudes and behaviors of his family - they were no better than he was. My dad relented and we never went over there, but he did call. The kids parents promised to handle it. The beatings got worse.

Several years later, a new neighbor kid (about 15 years old - the family moved in after I went off to college & the USAF) had his life and the lives of his parents threatened by several adults. While these adults were threatenting this kids life, they were also spitting on him and throwing rocks at him - all this for crossing the gravel road to get the mail. The kids parents came to my dad for help. My dad took a drive around the gravel road and ran into three of these adults who blocked the road with their ATV's and threatened my dads life.

Who were these adults? They were none other than the father and two uncles of the bully I had problems with several years earlier. While they had claimed they were good people and they condemned their sons behavior, they just hadn't felt the time was right to let their true colors show. Their sons behavoir was a direct representation of their beliefs and attitudes. The family shared the same propensity for doing harm to others. It was their very nature.

Folks, Islam is just like this family. I, for one, will not turn my back on them nor be lulled into believing that they mean us no harm. You see, I've already lived this scenario once in my life and I will not fall for it any more now than I did before - because my lip has been split one too many times already. I have just one thing to say to those of you who fail to see this - don't expect me to come to your aid later when I'm proven right because I'm sure to be too busy protecting myself from the bully and his family.

[Troublco]

The beautiful thing about our country (unlike many others, to include many in the middle east) is that we're free to voice our opinions.

Considering how many Islamic Extremists there are, and the fact that a U.S Army Officer who happened to be Muslim and a citizen of this country decided to join in, I believe we have reason to watch them. And while people in this country do enjoy many freedoms (and yes, those people have the technical right to build their mosque near ground zero) it's in extreme bad taste at best to do it. And they know it. I don't hear anyone railing that the Greek Orthodox church, which had a Church that was destroyed in the 9/11 attack and is now being treated poorly by the NYC Port Authority, should be treated better. But oh boy, we better be nice to the folks who want to build a shrine to the very people who destroyed the Twin Towers and killed hundreds (In the attempt to kill thousands) in its VERY SHADOW because they're just misunderstood. It's OK to bash Christians, and Jews, while we talk about how misunderstood the muslims are. Do I think all muslims are bad? No. But you certainly don't hear about Christian Homicide Bombers, do you? People say something that someone thinks is bad about muslims, and people leap to decry it. People say something bad about Christians, and it's just freedom of speech. There's a term for that, and it's called hypocrisy. Now before you begin to lynch me in effigy, I don't think that everyone who calls themselves a Christian is good, either.
The Westboro Baptist Church is a great example of this. They do so many things that contradict Christ's teachings, in my opinion, that I couldn't count them all. Do I like what they say, and do I agree with them? NO! Do they have the right to? Within the limits of the law, yes. I heartily disagree with what they like to do in certain cases. But they don't send out people equipped with explosive vests to blow up women and children in crowded marketplaces, either. But Islamic Extremists do!

Something I've noticed that a lot of people in our part of the world like to do is assign our values to others. These folks think that other peoples couldn't possibly think or do something because they themselves wouldn't, or couldn't. Well, it doesn't work that way. They do what they do, and think what they think, in spite of how we would like them to or choose to believe they do. Period.

Ginsue, El Huero, MB888, I'm with you.

[jake]

But you certainly don't hear about Christian Homicide Bombers, do you?

Christian homicide bombers: the Irish Republican movement certainly had/have their fair share of those.

Christian (and Hindu) suicide bombers: the Black Tigers, trying to force Muslims out of their ethnic homeland.

Note: this post is not meant to imply that all Muslims are harmless, express support for the Park51 mosque, suggest that the Bible contradicts itself, propose that Barack Obama is a natural born US citizen, declare that I'm anti-Semitic, or advocate for the rights of illegal immigrants. Did that cover everything?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Christian homicide bombers: the Irish Republican movement certainly had/have their fair share of those.

Christian (and Hindu) suicide bombers: the Black Tigers, trying to force Muslims out of their ethnic homeland.

Black Tigers or LTTE rebellion were ethnic war - much like PPK's suicide terror campaign against the The Turkish.

The Irish Republican Army vs The British Army is political much like the FARC rebels against the Columbian Army.

These are suicide bombers who happened to be Buddist/Hindu/Christian/Muslim with different political goals. They did not do it in the name of Religion. Suicide bombing in the name of Islam is targeting non-believers. I cannot think of Christian suicide bomber who does it in the name of Jesus Christ. Obviously I hope all of these folks rot in hell for whatever reason they did it.

You are nitpicking, Jake!

[Irving]

These are suicide bombers who happened to be Buddist/Hindu/Christian/Muslim with different political goals. They did not do it in the name of Religion.

If Muslim suicide bombers were doing this strictly in the name of Religion, then every person in every country in the world would be a potential target. Maybe they are. Either way, we're on top of the list for more than just religious reasons.