Ball Arena vax mandate

[3beansalad]

Who is going to verify the multitude of "vax" cards they'll see are legit? Or the testing info? This lunacy is depressing as hell. Enjoyed the Eric Church show, wish my last potential concert had been someone else though.

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[StagLefty]

My son just informed me that he's bought tickets for the extended family for Trans-Siberian concert the end of November. So I guess I'm going to have to put up with the insanity at Ball Arena. Everyone going has been vaxed and most of us seniors have also been boosted.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I just look at arenas ans stadiums now as a target rich environment for crazies. Nothing I need or want to see is worth mingling in crowds that size.

[Ah Pook]

Stop fucking going, the only way to stop this bullshit is to hit them in their profits. But no one will, there is a moronic need for gratification. SHEEP

Yep

[Vic Tory]

Wearing a mask to prevent Covid is like building a chain link fence to stop mosquitoes.

Truth! Viruses average .125 microns.

I used to be in the water filtration business where our BEST filter wasn't rated to filter viruses. It was three inches of solid carbon and it was rated to only .5 microns. (That's roughly the size of a single particle of cigarette smoke.)

If 3" of solid carbon won't screen out a virus how does anyone expect 2, 3 or 4 layers of fabric to do so...?

Now you tell me !!!!

That was good!

[FoxtArt]

Truth! Viruses average .125 microns.

I used to be in the water filtration business where our BEST filter wasn't rated to filter viruses. It was three inches of solid carbon and it was rated to only .5 microns. (That's roughly the size of a single particle of cigarette smoke.)

If 3" of solid carbon won't screen out a virus how does anyone expect 2, 3 or 4 layers of fabric to do so...?


That was good!

I am solidly against any mandate, but this is not scientific, and makes incorrect assumptions.

First off, we can agree regular masks don't work.
Any mask that doesn't seal against the face isn't going to be effective because the least resistance is not through the mask, it is around it. So all the disposable and cloth stuff is garbage, except for intercepting some of your sneeze goo.

Things that seal against the face, e.g. respirators can be quite effective, on the other hand.
While an individual virus is smaller than even a N95's filtration, that wholly ignores the science of infection. Any respiratory virus does not just walk into Mordor by itself. Many cannot even survive independently. The primary vector is always on micro-droplets of water which carry thousands of individual virus particles. Microdroplets are exhaled by everyone, all the time, bigger droplets when we sneeze, etc. In any event, even a fairly crappy respirator will intercept these many-micron sized droplets of water, and the viruses they contain will largely be deposited on the mask.

The other factor two is viral load, something that is not taught in schools for whatever reason. Viruses are in fact, horribly ineffective, most of them utterly fail. The way to think of them are like seeds from a tree. A typical tree might make 10,000 seeds before it has a viable offspring. Many viruses also need to, on average, have 10,000 enter you before you actually have one that successfully "plants". So it's not a case of "oh, one virus got through a mask, you're sick" it's simply "stop the water droplet with 50,000 on it and if you breath in 25 it's not a problem".

The most successful virus I know of is norovirus. It only needs 20. When it's circulating in your community you might as well accept the fact you'll be shitting your pants soon.
SARS-COV2 is nowhere near as successful.

If you have any respiratory virus and need/want to protect others - wear a good respirator. It really works. Likewise if you're immunocompromised or don't want to get something, wear one when risk is high.

My advice predates all this political bullshit on both sides by many years.

I had full-blown-influenza many years back and had a critically vulnerable, low weight newborn (failure to thrive). Everyone else had it too.
Influenza may have very well been fatal to this baby. Knowing full well how the transmission operates, I donned up good respirators and a N95 every time I had to care for them, threw away gloves each time and having good PPE policy, and tried to keep the airspace separated. Let me say, it's a bitch taking care of a newborn when you have a 103/104 fever and body aches for a week. TLDR: A FTT newborn never caught influenza despite their provider being in constant contact, which would've been very dangerous in the circumstance... And they are doing great today. But go ahead and keep telling me a N95 is like a chain link fence, folks.

[colorider]

I’m totally convinced the high quality fabric masks being sold at every quickie mart are stopping the Fauci Fungus.

[arbol]

Easy Pass.

Ball Arena is what was previously known as the Pepsi Center?

[Vic Tory]

... this is not scientific, and makes incorrect assumptions.

Wow. You wrote all that, pretending to "scientifically" refute what I posted? Impressive!

But I never posted anything about N95 masks.

[Great-Kazoo]

I am solidly against any mandate, but this is not scientific, and makes incorrect assumptions.

First off, we can agree regular masks don't work.
Any mask that doesn't seal against the face isn't going to be effective because the least resistance is not through the mask, it is around it. So all the disposable and cloth stuff is garbage, except for intercepting some of your sneeze goo.

Things that seal against the face, e.g. respirators can be quite effective, on the other hand.
While an individual virus is smaller than even a N95's filtration, that wholly ignores the science of infection. Any respiratory virus does not just walk into Mordor by itself. Many cannot even survive independently. The primary vector is always on micro-droplets of water which carry thousands of individual virus particles. Microdroplets are exhaled by everyone, all the time, bigger droplets when we sneeze, etc. In any event, even a fairly crappy respirator will intercept these many-micron sized droplets of water, and the viruses they contain will largely be deposited on the mask.

The other factor two is viral load, something that is not taught in schools for whatever reason. Viruses are in fact, horribly ineffective, most of them utterly fail. The way to think of them are like seeds from a tree. A typical tree might make 10,000 seeds before it has a viable offspring. Many viruses also need to, on average, have 10,000 enter you before you actually have one that successfully "plants". So it's not a case of "oh, one virus got through a mask, you're sick" it's simply "stop the water droplet with 50,000 on it and if you breath in 25 it's not a problem".

The most successful virus I know of is norovirus. It only needs 20. When it's circulating in your community you might as well accept the fact you'll be shitting your pants soon.
SARS-COV2 is nowhere near as successful.

If you have any respiratory virus and need/want to protect others - wear a good respirator. It really works. Likewise if you're immunocompromised or don't want to get something, wear one when risk is high.

My advice predates all this political bullshit on both sides by many years.

I had full-blown-influenza many years back and had a critically vulnerable, low weight newborn (failure to thrive). Everyone else had it too.
Influenza may have very well been fatal to this baby. Knowing full well how the transmission operates, I donned up good respirators and a N95 every time I had to care for them, threw away gloves each time and having good PPE policy, and tried to keep the airspace separated. Let me say, it's a bitch taking care of a newborn when you have a 103/104 fever and body aches for a week. TLDR: A FTT newborn never caught influenza despite their provider being in constant contact, which would've been very dangerous in the circumstance... And they are doing great today. But go ahead and keep telling me a N95 is like a chain link fence, folks.

A N95 is a different mask, than what's being sold to the general public. FWIW: ANY facial hair that extends beyond the sealing area of the N95 results in a fail, when it comes to being fit tested.


Does a mask help. in some cases, yes. As good as a N95, not even close.