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    Grand Master Know It All eddiememphis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldo1 View Post
    EXACTLY!! So now the real question to settle once and for all is, ".45 vs 9mm vs 12 Ga and why?" Lets discuss-or should I start a new thread?
    Unfortunately, it's not tactical, bro.

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    The "Godfather" of COAR Great-Kazoo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    Unfortunately, it's not tactical, bro.
    It's TIER 1 Bro. TIER 1!
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    I consider Palmetto as tier 1, and colt tier 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    These are nifty, but pricey ... and I wish they made one that took shotgun shells.

    https://americanguncraft.com/products/
    Do not buy unless you want ATF to have free guns. I fail to understand how things like this get designed without someone with a brain intervening.

    A 12 gauge is a SBS no matter how you cut it. The only reason a .410 exists as a pistol is the common chambering with 45 long colt and a chamber size at or below .50.

    A 12 gauge without a tax stamp is an illegal SBS no matter how they tried to cut it. Taurus once came out with a similar dumbass idea (20 gauge or something IIRC) and spent all sorts of money to design and prototype it....

    Before someone with a brain finally stepped up. "Uh, you guys know that's an SBS right?"

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    Keyboard Operation Specialist FoxtArt's Avatar
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    Checked website again. JEeeez.

    Do not buy *anything* from them, they are an ATF raid away from making life miserable for customers. "California Legal" and "to FFL"

    No... not California legal, and needs a FFL w/ SOT and your $200 stamp.

    ETA:
    tried to email them this but their contact form doesn't do anything:How are these not a SBS or AOW? A .410 only exists because of common chambering with 45 long colt and a chambering at or under .50.


    A 12 gauge is well over .50 caliber with no common chambering. No matter how you slice it it's either a SBS or a AOW. Why are you not advertising the necessity of a $200 tax stamp? These check all the boxes for a short barreled shotgun and none of the exemptions. Just giving you a heads up as I hate to see you and your customers get snagged on this.


    Sincerely,
    {fat man in a little suit}

    ETA 2: There's like 5% of me that wonders if this is a trap website. Lol.
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    I always thought this was the ultimate carry gun ...



    Oh wait, did you mean CONCEALED carry?

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    Ah now I see... they are casting it as a muzzle loader.

    Still seems like it's tangling too close to the fire.
    Last edited by FoxtArt; 01-25-2022 at 23:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    I always thought this was the ultimate carry gun ...



    Oh wait, did you mean CONCEALED carry?
    It is the ultimate concealed carry too
    All you have to do is don a brown uniform, and it'll still be concealed as you march around with a big carboard box, completely unnoticed.

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    Self Conscious About His "LOAD" 00tec's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    Ah now I see... they are casting it as a muzzle loader.

    Still seems like it's tangling too close to the fire.
    Black powder muzzle loaders are not firearms to the ATF. These are clearly muzzle loaders from the photos

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    Yep, not sure why the confusion.
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