"Electric Vehicles are Actually Worse for the Environment than Internal Combustion Cars"

[00tec]

Well, i am going to bring the "POST A PICTURE OF YOUR LATEST PURCHASE" to here.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/42773-P...=1#post2358911


It wasn't the environmental or quietness that got me into this vehicle. It was financial decision. I still have one gas guzzler that I am definitely keeping, but I am now saving $ on gas, and time to wait on Costco gas station.
I only charged at a free level 2 public charging station once for about 1 hour while eating dinner. That as equivalent to about ~1 gal of gas for FREE.

One thing people do not mention is also the brake. It has Regenerative braking paddle shifter from level 0 to 3, and I can try to brake by doing that. It will convert KE to electrical energy, instead of conventional KE to heat energy (rotor and pad friction). That being said, less wear on pad and rotor for longer replacement interval.

I like the hybrid f150. They come with the regen braking. Coming down a hill with a trailer would probably net quite a bit of charge

[Gman]

I like the hybrid f150. They come with the regen braking. Coming down a hill with a trailer would probably net quite a bit of charge

That's what I would have thought, but it certainly didn't work out that way for the new Rivian.

[00tec]

That's what I would have thought, but it certainly didn't work out that way for the new Rivian.

That isn't the result I was expecting.... hmmmm

[Jer]

That's what I would have thought, but it certainly didn't work out that way for the new Rivian.

This is a super cool truck. I would have one in my garage already if it wasn't for the question mark concerning service centers in this region. EVs don't need maintenance and rarely need service (especially after they've been established for a bit, moved some units and made some improvements based on feedback) but I still feel more comfortable knowing I can go someplace within an hour or so should I need to. These trucks are really cool though and I'm loving all of the new EVs finally coming to market. Their lack of nationwide service centers and charge infrastructure is the only thing keeping me from owning one currently. They'll get there though.

[MrPrena]

I like the hybrid f150. They come with the regen braking. Coming down a hill with a trailer would probably net quite a bit of charge

I decide to do some reading. We probably see Chemical to Mechaincal+heat (work and heat) efficiencies og engine/work, but KE to electrical on regen brake is still kinda new.

Regenerative braking allows the range of the EV to be extended; however, the efficiency of capturing this energy is reported to vary from 16% to 70% (Boretti, 2013). The reason for this significant difference in efficiency will depend on the driver's style of driving whether they brake gradually or severely. Furthermore, temperature of the system and outside ambient temperature affect the efficiency greatly. The driving technique of the driver is a considerable factor when calculating the efficiency of the regenerative braking system. Friction brake pads are installed in the EV to allow for more rapid braking as opposed to slow braking with the regenerative braking system. The utilization of the friction brakes results in the efficiency of the regenerative system to vary.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics...0or%20severely.

Chemical energy ->Kinetic Energy -> electrical energy from regeneration would be substantially lower.

[Jer]

I like the hybrid f150. They come with the regen braking. Coming down a hill with a trailer would probably net quite a bit of charge

Having owned a Hybrid I will say that they are probably not the best of both worlds but the worst. Sure, you save a few bucks on gas but keep in mind that you are getting all of the potential failure points of an ICE vehicle as well as all of the potential failure points of an EV. IMO they were a decent bridge until battery tech could replace ICE for most applications but it won't be around for long. One of the best parts of having an EV is the sheer simplicity of it all. It's a glorified gold cart: batteries, drive motor(s) and the wires and computers to make it all work. Add in suspension, brakes and seats and you have an EV. Once we start seeing more and more on the road with hundreds of thousands of miles chugging along with a slightly diminished range and zero other performance hits I think people who doubt their reliability will see the light.