Colorado P80 type frame serialization

[DDT951]

Why would a FFL want to do this?

The “simple” was is a laser… but how many FFLs have laser ?

[Skully]

My hang out I frequent, said in the nicest way possible; "Not just no, but hell no! We won't be touching any 80% firearm and adding a Serial number, TOO much liability."

i have heard that sentiment before from others as well. My understanding an FFL can build a firearm and add a Serial number but by adding a serial number to someone else's private built 80% firearm they are essentially taking ownership as if they made the firearm. This could open them up to all the liability with it. Unless I am misunderstanding them.....................

[kidicarus13]

My hang out I frequent said in the nicest way possible; "Not just no, but hell no! We won't be touching any 80% firearm and adding a Serial number, TOO much liability."

i have heard that sentiment before from others as well. My understanding an FFL can build a firearm and add a Serial number but by adding a serial number to someone else's private built 80% firearm they are essentially taking ownership as if they made the firearm. This could open them up to all the liability with it. Unless I am misunderstanding them.....................

Makes sense. I'm guessing some Colorado agency will be responsible for coming up with the standard naming convention that will be used.

[kidicarus13]

Has any information been pushed to FFLs yet?

[DDT951]

Has any information been pushed to FFLs yet?

The intent isn't compliance. The intent is to arrest and change with a crime.

Think of it like this.

A serial number trace starts with the manufacturer. Then goes to distributor. Then FFL. Then original buyer. After that a trace becomes hard.

But with a serial numbered frame done by an FFL, the trace would have to start at the FFL and go the other direction. But which of the many FFLs would LE go looking at first to see if they serial numbered the frame? Then as CO LE aren't ATF, I dont believe the FFL has to let LE (other than ATF) go through their books.

So what the progressive jurisdictions want to do is find "you" with a non serialized gun, go after you and say "look we are doing something about ghost guns". If they can get an RMGO or NRA member instead of a gang banger even better to make an example..

[Great-Kazoo]

engrave your own serial #. Who's to determine what the number on the frame / receiver says. Isn't a valid one. Who exactly is going to run a serial # that was never entered into a data base?

[Tyris]

I have an 80% that I sbr'd. The serial number is "0001". I wonder how many other form1 guns are 0001 ?
-T

[brutal]

I have an 80% that I sbr'd. The serial number is "0001". I wonder how many other form1 guns are 0001 ?
-T

My (Titanium tube) DIY can is TI0001

[Bailey Guns]

A federal court on Wed flat out said the new ATF "Frame and Receiver" rule is illegal and enjoined the rule in it's entirety on a nationwide basis. The federal rule is now dead. Same for the "Pistol Brace" rule as of yesterday.

I don't know if that has the potential to impact the Colorado law or not.

[kidicarus13]

engrave your own serial #. Who's to determine what the number on the frame / receiver says. Isn't a valid one. Who exactly is going to run a serial # that was never entered into a data base?

The serial # wouldn't even need to be run. When CO's new law mandates ghost gun serial #'s gets engraved with CO, then assigns 2 characters for each FFL, and then a 5 digit sequential number is added (recorded by each FFL) to read CODF00025. If a pistol serial # reads 12345, that would be no bueno. Similar to having a Magpul 30rd magazine mfg dated post 7/1/13 given the wrong circumstances leading up to its discovery.